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I'm beyond skeptical of this. It doesn't really make sense from DNA and fossil migration perspective.

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This stuff is fun to think about, but it has no basis is reality. I'll also add there's a ton of clickbait "science" websites out there that have interesting headlines, but aren't any better then crap you find on facebook. Sorry to be that guy. Regardless, fun thread. :)
What are your current thoughts on The Simulation?
haha touche! I think it's a fun thing to talk about over drinks, etc. I think it is a possibility. The Simulation is a philosophical discussion and not a scientific one.
Is the distinction here that a hypothesis becomes philosophical rather than scientific if we decide that it’s unlikely we’ll be able to obtain evidence?
Yes. If there is no solid way to test for a simulation so falls under philosophy. Fun to think about, might be likely. Not science. Science requires a way to test hypotheses. The author in the OP doesn't even seem to be trying. Just bad info and god of the gaps type logic flaws. Not a huge deal or anything. I understand this was supposed to be a fun thread that I kinda crapped on.

As an aside, I see this discussion a lot in the physics world regarding multiverses. It's become quite popular, but there doesn't seem to be a good way to test it. There are some ideas on how to infer other universes exist, but not direct evidence.

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I very much doubt we're living in a giant computer simulation.

Everyone is just running their own simulation in their own head.

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Personally I'd most likely put the chance we're living in a simulation higher than most people on the street.

I think a multiverse (including all variants) is very likely. Like 65%. Maybe higher.

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Personally I'd most likely put the chance we're living in a simulation higher than most people on the street.

I think a multiverse (including all variants) is very likely. Like 65%. Maybe higher.
This whole multiverse concept is hard for me to get my head around for some reason.

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How high are people on the street?

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GeddyWrox wrote: ↑
February 10 22, 2:28 pm
Michael wrote: ↑
February 10 22, 2:20 pm
Personally I'd most likely put the chance we're living in a simulation higher than most people on the street.

I think a multiverse (including all variants) is very likely. Like 65%. Maybe higher.
This whole multiverse concept is hard for me to get my head around for some reason.
One problem is there are so many variants of what a "multiverse" means. Here's a few:

Cosmic inflation - Many universes outside of our own with unique physics properties. IMO this the most likely.

Many Worlds - This is the Schrodinger's cat stuff. Basically we're constantly splitting into new universes (technically worlds).

Infinite Universe - If our universe is infinite then everything will repeat itself and include variants.

There's also a string theory multiverse.

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GeddyWrox wrote: ↑
February 10 22, 2:28 pm
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February 10 22, 2:20 pm
Personally I'd most likely put the chance we're living in a simulation higher than most people on the street.

I think a multiverse (including all variants) is very likely. Like 65%. Maybe higher.
This whole multiverse concept is hard for me to get my head around for some reason.
You need switch multiverses to one where you understand it, bro.

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Actually this does a better job of explaining the different types multiverses:
According to MIT cosmologist Max Tegmark, there are four levels of parallel universes:

Level 1: An infinite universe that, by the laws of probability, must contain another copy of Earth somewhere

Level 2: Other distant regions of space with different physical parameters, but the same basic laws

Level 3: Other universes where each possibility that can exist does exist, as described by the many worlds interpretation (MWI) of quantum physics

Level 4: Entirely distinct universes that may not even be connected to ours in any meaningful way and very likely have entirely different fundamental physical laws

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Michael wrote: ↑
February 10 22, 2:41 pm
GeddyWrox wrote: ↑
February 10 22, 2:28 pm
Michael wrote: ↑
February 10 22, 2:20 pm
Personally I'd most likely put the chance we're living in a simulation higher than most people on the street.

I think a multiverse (including all variants) is very likely. Like 65%. Maybe higher.
This whole multiverse concept is hard for me to get my head around for some reason.
One problem is there are so many variants of what a "multiverse" means. Here's a few:

Cosmic inflation - Many universes outside of our own with unique physics properties. IMO this the most likely.

Many Worlds - This is the Schrodinger's cat stuff. Basically we're constantly splitting into new universes (technically worlds).

Infinite Universe - If our universe is infinite then everything will repeat itself and include variants.

There's also a string theory multiverse.
I haven't tried to digest the links you included (thanks btw!)... but the first one sounds like the Spider-man: Into the Spiderverse concept.

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GeddyWrox wrote: ↑
February 10 22, 2:46 pm
Michael wrote: ↑
February 10 22, 2:41 pm
GeddyWrox wrote: ↑
February 10 22, 2:28 pm
Michael wrote: ↑
February 10 22, 2:20 pm
Personally I'd most likely put the chance we're living in a simulation higher than most people on the street.

I think a multiverse (including all variants) is very likely. Like 65%. Maybe higher.
This whole multiverse concept is hard for me to get my head around for some reason.
One problem is there are so many variants of what a "multiverse" means. Here's a few:

Cosmic inflation - Many universes outside of our own with unique physics properties. IMO this the most likely.

Many Worlds - This is the Schrodinger's cat stuff. Basically we're constantly splitting into new universes (technically worlds).

Infinite Universe - If our universe is infinite then everything will repeat itself and include variants.

There's also a string theory multiverse.
I haven't tried to digest the links you included (thanks btw!)... but the first one sounds like the Spider-man: Into the Spiderverse concept.
I haven't seen the movie, but #1 may depend on if cosmic inflation is infinite. #1 will include universes that have different physical properties then ours. For example, with cosmic inflation a universe may have weaker gravity then our so in that universe planets and stars don't form. #2 and #3 might be a better fit.

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