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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
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Popeye_Card wrote:Not sure if the Big XII is automatically the 2nd best conference. Big Ten and Pac 10 are right there with them.
Meh. I don't think there's a big enough difference between the three to overcome the lack of a championship game at the end. Even if the Big X is a little better, the fact that MI State won't be forced to go play OSU/Wisconsin again is a pretty big differece from Mizzou having to go play OU again.

I agree that playing a conference championship game is an advantage to the Big XII winner.

I think Popeye and I were only disputing your statement that it is a fact that the SEC and Big XII are the best conferences. An argument could be made for other conferences (and already has been made). That may be your opinion, but that doesn't make it a factual statement.
I don't think saying the SEC is best is a far fetched opinion. The BigXII, BigX and PacX are all debateable though, I agree. Regardless, even if the BigX is just a little tougher than the BigXII, the fact that the champion, if undefeated, will have to play the 2nd best team twice sets it apart. Of course everyone can argue til their blue in the face, but the way it's set up the champ game in the Big XII and SEC set the winners apart and even 1 loss teams (like Alabama if that's the case) will be put ahead of no loss teams like boise and TCU. And, that's the way it should be, imo. I don't know how you can argue that the conference that has produced the champion the last 4 years hasn't proven they deserve a 1-loss team in there.
Again, I agree that the conference championship games help those conferences, normally. And nobody is really disputing that the SEC is the best conference (although that doesn't necessarily mean that they have one of the top 2 teams in the country this year).

I think every year stands on it's own merit. The SEC shouldn't get an automatic bid, just because they've been superior the last 4 years.

Suppose Auburn loses a game, and Alabama runs the table from here on out. Suppose Oregon, Missouri, and Michigan State also run the table.

Are you going to put a 1-loss Alabama team in the National Championship game (leaving unbeaten Missouri and Michigan State out), just because the SEC has been successful the 4 previous years? I don't see how you can do that.

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Socnorb11 wrote:
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Popeye_Card wrote:Not sure if the Big XII is automatically the 2nd best conference. Big Ten and Pac 10 are right there with them.
Meh. I don't think there's a big enough difference between the three to overcome the lack of a championship game at the end. Even if the Big X is a little better, the fact that MI State won't be forced to go play OSU/Wisconsin again is a pretty big differece from Mizzou having to go play OU again.

I agree that playing a conference championship game is an advantage to the Big XII winner.

I think Popeye and I were only disputing your statement that it is a fact that the SEC and Big XII are the best conferences. An argument could be made for other conferences (and already has been made). That may be your opinion, but that doesn't make it a factual statement.
I don't think saying the SEC is best is a far fetched opinion. The BigXII, BigX and PacX are all debateable though, I agree. Regardless, even if the BigX is just a little tougher than the BigXII, the fact that the champion, if undefeated, will have to play the 2nd best team twice sets it apart. Of course everyone can argue til their blue in the face, but the way it's set up the champ game in the Big XII and SEC set the winners apart and even 1 loss teams (like Alabama if that's the case) will be put ahead of no loss teams like boise and TCU. And, that's the way it should be, imo. I don't know how you can argue that the conference that has produced the champion the last 4 years hasn't proven they deserve a 1-loss team in there.
Again, I agree that the conference championship games help those conferences, normally. And nobody is really disputing that the SEC is the best conference (although that doesn't necessarily mean that they have one of the top 2 teams in the country this year).

I think every year stands on it's own merit. The SEC shouldn't get an automatic bid, just because they've been superior the last 4 years.

Suppose Auburn loses a game, and Alabama runs the table from here on out. Suppose Oregon, Missouri, and Michigan State also run the table.

Are you going to put a 1-loss Alabama team in the National Championship game (leaving unbeaten Missouri and Michigan State out), just because the SEC has been successful the 4 previous years? I don't see how you can do that.
I guess if the point is to get the best team in there, then you can do that. Is there really anyone that thinks Missouri or Michigan State would be a favorite against Bama? Not to say they can't beat them, but if we're going for who is better, which is the point of the BCS, I doubt you'd find many people betting Missouri or Michigan State if it was a straight up pick 'em game.

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote: I guess if the point is to get the best team in there, then you can do that. Is there really anyone that thinks Missouri or Michigan State would be a favorite against Bama? Not to say they can't beat them, but if we're going for who is better, which is the point of the BCS, I doubt you'd find many people betting Missouri or Michigan State if it was a straight up pick 'em game.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm not entirely convinced that Michigan State and Missouri can't play with Alabama.

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Let's re-direct this conversation here. There are probably plenty of non-MIzzou fans who have no idea this discussion is going on right now:

http://gatewayredbirds.com/forum/viewto ... 12&t=43201

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what's the early line for MU-NU

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BigDCardlvr wrote:what's the early line for MU-NU
Nebraska -7

I really wish college FB betting was legal, because Mizzou +7 is a slam dunk.
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I don't know why Nebraska can play so well on the road and look average at home, but I really hope that continues through this week.

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BigDCardlvr wrote:what's the early line for MU-NU
Nebraska -7

I really wish college FB betting was legal, because Mizzou +7 is a slam dunk.
Are you serious? -7?

I agree with you.... that's insane. I'd jump on that with everything I've got.

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Socnorb11 wrote:
InvincibleCakeEater wrote:
BigDCardlvr wrote:what's the early line for MU-NU
Nebraska -7

I really wish college FB betting was legal, because Mizzou +7 is a slam dunk.
Are you serious? -7?

I agree with you.... that's insane. I'd jump on that with everything I've got.
Yep, -6.5 is the closest I've seen.

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This is going to be, imo, almost as big of a test as OU if not a bigger test.

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