6/12 GDT: Cardinals(Leahy) @ Twins(Ryan) 7:10 PM CT

[cardsfantx]

Look, you need more good pitchers in the bullpen. Period. That's on Bloom and ownership. They took the winter off besides selling contracts for A ball guys because they thought the team was going to be bad. It cost them tonight.

If you’re going to use Stanek then it needs to be when Oli used Soriano when we were losing

[jagtrader]

Most managers aren't going to ask a pitcher to cover multiple innings on back-to-back days, especially a high-leverage guy in a game the Cardinals were losing. That's a lot of up and down and you need to be careful with the few guys out there who are half-decent.

Losing? We were winning BOTH innings when Stanek was brought in? Are you talking about someone else?

They were losing when Soriano's inning ended. Then the Cardinals batted forever and scored three runs. Managers aren't putting Soriano back out there to cover 10 outs in two days.

You’re making my point

Soriano is your best reliever; he should only be used in games that you’re winning close or closing out games

Soriano is not a great reliever. He looks really good in the context of the [expletive] they have out there. He has a 24/10 strikeout to walk ratio. He's just a guy on most good teams.

Stanek has been great lately. He still sucks. But that's what they have. So that's what they used.

[cardsfantx]

So the plan should've been to use Soriano for two innings. Then use ... somebody besides Stanek, which means Roycroft or Svanson. Then use O'Brien.

Sometimes guys have to perform.

No; we were losing when Soriano was brought in; he should never have been pitching then as he’s your best reliever. That’s she you use Stanek if you’re goin to use him.

[dmarx114]

I don't like to pick on Oli as much as others but tonight there were several head scratchers.

Leahy didn't look great after sitting through the rain delay; then he sent him out there to face Buxton and the top of the order for the third time. Cardinals lose the lead.

Cardinals regain the lead. Graceffo is on the mound; yes he walked Buxton but that's better than giving up a hit to him. Oli brings in Stanek to face the LH hitter; so removes one RH for another RH and he promptly surrenders a homer to give up the lead.

Cardinals come back and get the lead; Oli leaves Stanek out there who gives up the lead on another homer; than the winning run on another homer.

You bring Soriano into the game in the 6th; you should leave him in for the 7th. Stank probably would have had a clean 8th to start with and who knows what happens there. Just weird choices.

And yes players have to execute but when they don't the manager needs to make moves.

Good point about leahy. Cards were lucky to escape the 5th with the lead. Oli was more focused on the pitch count than trusting his eyes. Leahy was done. Cost the cards 2 runs in the 6th.

[jagtrader]

Whatever. Believe what you guys want. The Cardinals' bullpen talent is quite bad. It can't be hidden forever.

[cardsfantx]

Most managers aren't going to ask a pitcher to cover multiple innings on back-to-back days, especially a high-leverage guy in a game the Cardinals were losing. That's a lot of up and down and you need to be careful with the few guys out there who are half-decent.

Losing? We were winning BOTH innings when Stanek was brought in? Are you talking about someone else?

They were losing when Soriano's inning ended. Then the Cardinals batted forever and scored three runs. Managers aren't putting Soriano back out there to cover 10 outs in two days.

You’re making my point

Soriano is your best reliever; he should only be used in games that you’re winning close or closing out games

Soriano is not a great reliever. He looks really good in the context of the [expletive] they have out there. He has a 24/10 strikeout to walk ratio. He's just a guy on most good teams.

Stanek has been great lately. He still sucks. But that's what they have. So that's what they used.

Ok going to bed since you’re just talking dumb now (not saying you’re dumb)

[dmarx114]

Kind of funny Oli thinks stanek deserves higher leverage situations than Soriano.

These Oli-losses pile up. Could be the reason we miss the playoffs.

[phins]

Guys, Stanek sucks. Graceffo is bad. Roycroft, Svanson and Bruihl should be in the minors. There are three above-average arms in the bullpen and one of them wasn’t available. And the starter tonight is really a reliever.

Graceffo is not bad; like at all

Graceffo, Soriano, O’Brien (and JoJo and Fernandez when available) are the 3 guy with the lead. If you need a 4th, then it’s svanson, who’s not rebounding and pitching great like he did all of last year.

He does have a negative fWAR. The regression is coming hard.

He’s got a positive 1.1 bWAR; and Stanek is negative

Are you going to stanek before him?

Or are you pulling him to put Stanek in?

His ERA is a mirage. He's bad. bWAR uses ERA, which is folly.

Graceffo is a nice mop up guy who has done a nice job, but he's bad.

Stanek is bad. Part of my criticism with Oli is he let Stanek Stanek out there and give up three HR's in one game.

It was a disaster class in managing a bullpen. Leahy is terrible as a starter as well.

The whole operation is a mess, which is why I have low expectations and have tried to enjoy it while I can.

[KenBoyer14]

The Cardinals have a mediocre bullpen in terms of talent. It’s surprising this doesn’t happen more often. You can only dance through the raindrops so many times.

Especially when Oli doesn’t know how to use them properly

He’s one of the best in the game. I really don’t know what you people expect. It’s a [expletive] miracle this team has a winning record.

I don't reply here much. But I'm hoping you weren't talking about Oli being "one of the best in the game."

If you are, John McEnroe's quote comes to mind: "YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!" Or maybe you left off the sarcasm emoji.

[phins]

Kind of funny Oli thinks stanek deserves higher leverage situations than Soriano.

These Oli-losses pile up. Could be the reason we miss the playoffs.

There's much more we do not see about being a manager than what we do see.

What we do see from Oli is suboptimal for sure.