Coronavirus

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Does Mississippi have a fetal protection law? Can you sue these people for murder? The irony....

[GeddyWrox]

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... ndividuals

TLDR: Some people are showing startling levels of ability to fight of most/all types of coronavirus. Those most capable seem to have been infected naturally in 2020 and then received one of the MRNA vaccines.

Over the past several months, a series of studies has found that some people mount an extraordinarily powerful immune response against SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19. Their bodies produce very high levels of antibodies, but they also make antibodies with great flexibility — likely capable of fighting off the coronavirus variants circulating in the world but also likely effective against variants that may emerge in the future.

"One could reasonably predict that these people will be quite well protected against most — and perhaps all of — the SARS-CoV-2 variants that we are likely to see in the foreseeable future," says Paul Bieniasz, a virologist at Rockefeller University who helped lead several of the studies.

In a study published online last month, Bieniasz and his colleagues found antibodies in these individuals that can strongly neutralize the six variants of concern tested, including delta and beta, as well as several other viruses related to SARS-CoV-2, including one in bats, two in pangolins and the one that caused the first coronavirus pandemic, SARS-CoV-1.

"This is being a bit more speculative, but I would also suspect that they would have some degree of protection against the SARS-like viruses that have yet to infect humans," Bieniasz says.

So who is capable of mounting this "superhuman" or "hybrid" immune response?

People who have had a "hybrid" exposure to the virus. Specifically, they were infected with the coronavirus in 2020 and then immunized with mRNA vaccines this year. "Those people have amazing responses to the vaccine," says virologist Theodora Hatziioannou at Rockefeller University, who also helped lead several of the studies. "I think they are in the best position to fight the virus. The antibodies in these people's blood can even neutralize SARS-CoV-1, the first coronavirus, which emerged 20 years ago. That virus is very, very different from SARS-CoV-2."

In fact, these antibodies were even able to deactivate a virus engineered, on purpose, to be highly resistant to neutralization. This virus contained 20 mutations that are known to prevent SARS-CoV-2 antibodies from binding to it. Antibodies from people who were only vaccinated or who only had prior coronavirus infections were essentially useless against this mutant virus. But antibodies in people with the "hybrid immunity" could neutralize it.

These findings show how powerful the mRNA vaccines can be in people with prior exposure to SARS-CoV-2, she says. "There's a lot of research now focused on finding a pan-coronavirus vaccine that would protect against all future variants. Our findings tell you that we already have it.

"But there's a catch, right?" she adds: You first need to be sick with COVID-19. "After natural infections, the antibodies seem to evolve and become not only more potent but also broader. They become more resistant to mutations within the [virus]."

Hatziioannou and colleagues don't know if everyone who has had COVID-19 and then an mRNA vaccine will have such a remarkable immune response. "We've only studied the phenomena with a few patients because it's extremely laborious and difficult research to do," she says.

But she suspects it's quite common. "With every single one of the patients we studied, we saw the same thing." The study reports data on 14 patients.

Several other studies support her hypothesis — and buttress the idea that exposure to both a coronavirus and an mRNA vaccine triggers an exceptionally powerful immune response. In one study, published last month in The New England Journal of Medicine, scientists analyzed antibodies generated by people who had been infected with the original SARS virus — SARS-CoV-1 — back in 2002 or 2003 and who then received an mRNA vaccine this year.

Remarkably, these people also produced high levels of antibodies and — it's worth reiterating this point from a few paragraphs above — antibodies that could neutralize a whole range of variants and SARS-like viruses.

[cardsfantx]

Labor Department is going to require all companies with 100+ workers to have them vaccinated or submit to weekly testing

Biden's announcement includes that and all health care workers must be vaccinated (no testing allowed instead)

this is ironic coming from the administration from the same day in regards to TX abortion law...

Vice-President Kamala Harris said the right of women to make their own choices on reproductive rights and decisions about “their own bodies” was “not negotiable”.

so it's non negotiable that women have the right to make their own choices and decisions about their bodies, but also are required to inject something into their bodies that they may not want? seems....like a conflict?

[mikechamp]

Labor Department is going to require all companies with 100+ workers to have them vaccinated or submit to weekly testing

Biden's announcement includes that and all health care workers must be vaccinated (no testing allowed instead)

this is ironic coming from the administration from the same day in regards to TX abortion law...

Vice-President Kamala Harris said the right of women to make their own choices on reproductive rights and decisions about “their own bodies” was “not negotiable”.

so it's non negotiable that women have the right to make their own choices and decisions about their bodies, but also are required to inject something into their bodies that they may not want? seems....like a conflict?

Isn't the same conflict happening in states like TX, MS and FL? Pro-choice for the vaccine, but not pro-choice for an abortion?

[G. Keenan]

Labor Department is going to require all companies with 100+ workers to have them vaccinated or submit to weekly testing

Biden's announcement includes that and all health care workers must be vaccinated (no testing allowed instead)

this is ironic coming from the administration from the same day in regards to TX abortion law...

Vice-President Kamala Harris said the right of women to make their own choices on reproductive rights and decisions about “their own bodies” was “not negotiable”.

so it's non negotiable that women have the right to make their own choices and decisions about their bodies, but also are required to inject something into their bodies that they may not want? seems....like a conflict?

It's not really though. I get that you're correctly pointing out the irony of the "my body my choice" pro-choice slogan, but that's not really to address the substantive difference between a woman and what she wants to do with the fetus inside her, and people refusing to get a proven safe and effective vaccine during a highly contagious disease pandemic that is affecting all of society, the economy, overwhelming hospitals, and causing thousands upon thousands of preventable deaths . . . just because they don't feel like it.

Really not the same situation in any way whatsoever from an ethical or legal perspective.

[Socnorb11]

Labor Department is going to require all companies with 100+ workers to have them vaccinated or submit to weekly testing

Biden's announcement includes that and all health care workers must be vaccinated (no testing allowed instead)

this is ironic coming from the administration from the same day in regards to TX abortion law...

Vice-President Kamala Harris said the right of women to make their own choices on reproductive rights and decisions about “their own bodies” was “not negotiable”.

so it's non negotiable that women have the right to make their own choices and decisions about their bodies, but also are required to inject something into their bodies that they may not want? seems....like a conflict?

Yeah, I remember when a girl at work got an abortion, and all of the people that worked with her ended up with abortions too because she didn't quarantine. It's the exact same thing.

[cardinalkarp]

Labor Department is going to require all companies with 100+ workers to have them vaccinated or submit to weekly testing

Biden's announcement includes that and all health care workers must be vaccinated (no testing allowed instead)

this is ironic coming from the administration from the same day in regards to TX abortion law...

Vice-President Kamala Harris said the right of women to make their own choices on reproductive rights and decisions about “their own bodies” was “not negotiable”.

so it's non negotiable that women have the right to make their own choices and decisions about their bodies, but also are required to inject something into their bodies that they may not want? seems....like a conflict?

Yeah, I remember when a girl at work got an abortion, and all of the people that worked with her ended up with abortions too because she didn't quarantine. It's the exact same thing.

If the vaccine stopped one from contracting or transmitting the virus you would have a case, but as it stands, you don’t.

Want to know why cases are raging….because people aren’t taking any f’ing precautions.

We have 200 million people vaccinated in the US, and there are just as many cases now than as there were last year when we had no one vaccinated….so how exactly is the vaccine working?

Edit: Check that, there are actually roughly 7x more cases yesterday than one year ago the same day…..all unvaccinated too I bet

[Socnorb11]

Labor Department is going to require all companies with 100+ workers to have them vaccinated or submit to weekly testing

Biden's announcement includes that and all health care workers must be vaccinated (no testing allowed instead)

this is ironic coming from the administration from the same day in regards to TX abortion law...

Vice-President Kamala Harris said the right of women to make their own choices on reproductive rights and decisions about “their own bodies” was “not negotiable”.

so it's non negotiable that women have the right to make their own choices and decisions about their bodies, but also are required to inject something into their bodies that they may not want? seems....like a conflict?

Yeah, I remember when a girl at work got an abortion, and all of the people that worked with her ended up with abortions too because she didn't quarantine. It's the exact same thing.

If the vaccine stopped one from contracting or transmitting the virus you would have a case, but as it stands, you don’t.

Want to know why cases are raging….because people aren’t taking any f’ing precautions.

We have 200 million people vaccinated in the US, and there are just as many cases now than as there were last year when we had no one vaccinated….so how exactly is the vaccine working?

Edit: Check that, there are actually roughly 7x more cases yesterday than one year ago the same day…..all unvaccinated too I bet

The Delta variant is more than twice as contagious as the variant that we were dealing with last year. That coupled with your own response (people aren't taking precautions) explains why cases are high right now, even with vaccinations. If you recall, last year at this time much of the country was shut down. Obviously you're not going to have as much spread when people aren't mingling as much. The hospitals are full of unvaccinated people. You can't explain that away.

To your first point, the greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to get infected, and therefore transmit the virus. So yeah, I do have a case.

[InvincibleCakeEater]

Labor Department is going to require all companies with 100+ workers to have them vaccinated or submit to weekly testing

Biden's announcement includes that and all health care workers must be vaccinated (no testing allowed instead)

this is ironic coming from the administration from the same day in regards to TX abortion law...

Vice-President Kamala Harris said the right of women to make their own choices on reproductive rights and decisions about “their own bodies” was “not negotiable”.

so it's non negotiable that women have the right to make their own choices and decisions about their bodies, but also are required to inject something into their bodies that they may not want? seems....like a conflict?

Nobody is forcing them to get the vaccine though.

[cardsfantx]

Labor Department is going to require all companies with 100+ workers to have them vaccinated or submit to weekly testing

Biden's announcement includes that and all health care workers must be vaccinated (no testing allowed instead)

this is ironic coming from the administration from the same day in regards to TX abortion law...

Vice-President Kamala Harris said the right of women to make their own choices on reproductive rights and decisions about “their own bodies” was “not negotiable”.

so it's non negotiable that women have the right to make their own choices and decisions about their bodies, but also are required to inject something into their bodies that they may not want? seems....like a conflict?

Yeah, I remember when a girl at work got an abortion, and all of the people that worked with her ended up with abortions too because she didn't quarantine. It's the exact same thing.

This analogy may be the dumbest thing I’ve heard on this board.

But I know where you’re going with it. Getting a vaccine protects others but an abortion only affects you.

Oh wait; no that’s right…there’s the baby