Is there any workers more miserable than at the IRS?

[Leroy]

Every time.

Just miserable sounding people.

Is the job really that bad?

[lukethedrifter]

My daughter would answer 'public defenders' after meeting them at "I want to be a lawyer" camp.

[Arthur Dent]

My daughter would answer 'public defenders' after meeting them at "I want to be a lawyer" camp.

Would be interested in hearing more about that

[lukethedrifter]

My daughter would answer 'public defenders' after meeting them at "I want to be a lawyer" camp.

Would be interested in hearing more about that

She sent me a text while having lunch with a group of public defenders saying that she would never want that job. I was concerned that it was because it was too difficult so I replied something like 'yeah, tough gig'. She texted back 'not that. they are the most bitter and mean people i've ever met'. 'would not want to work in that environment'.

[Freed Roger]

My daughter would answer 'public defenders' after meeting them at "I want to be a lawyer" camp.

Would be interested in hearing more about that

She sent me a text while having lunch with a group of public defenders saying that she would never want that job. I was concerned that it was because it was too difficult so I replied something like 'yeah, tough gig'. She texted back 'not that. they are the most bitter and mean people i've ever met'. 'would not want to work in that environment'.

they all can't be this good.

[stlouie_lipp]

My daughter would answer 'public defenders' after meeting them at "I want to be a lawyer" camp.

Would be interested in hearing more about that

She sent me a text while having lunch with a group of public defenders saying that she would never want that job. I was concerned that it was because it was too difficult so I replied something like 'yeah, tough gig'. She texted back 'not that. they are the most bitter and mean people i've ever met'. 'would not want to work in that environment'.

It would be awful. The "clients" don't have to worry about paying you so they can bug you all they want - especially if they are in jail. 99% of the time they are guilty and can't understand why you can't get them off "Johnny Cochran style". They think you are working with the cops, prosecutors, and judges and conspiring against them. They don't show up for court half the time. They all know somebody who got a better deal. Etc., etc.

[Freed Roger]

My daughter would answer 'public defenders' after meeting them at "I want to be a lawyer" camp.

Would be interested in hearing more about that

She sent me a text while having lunch with a group of public defenders saying that she would never want that job. I was concerned that it was because it was too difficult so I replied something like 'yeah, tough gig'. She texted back 'not that. they are the most bitter and mean people i've ever met'. 'would not want to work in that environment'.

It would be awful. The "clients" don't have to worry about paying you so they can bug you all they want - especially if they are in jail. 99% of the time they are guilty and can't understand why you can't get them off "Johnny Cochran style". They think you are working with the cops, prosecutors, and judges and conspiring against them. They don't show up for court half the time. They all know somebody who got a better deal. Etc., etc.

In MO apparently it's a terrible situation
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... is/519444/

For more than two decades, Defendants have failed to provide the resources required to adequately represent poor people accused of crimes in Missouri, leading to the actual and constructive denial of counsel for, and ineffective representation of, indigent defendants across the State,” the lawsuit claims.

Barrett echoed similar sentiments on the problems facing his office. “A lawyer can probably only handle 40, maybe 50 case at any one time,” he explained. “Our lawyers have three times that amount, and people are taking pleas because they're sitting in local jail waiting for their lawyer to get to them.” With so little time spent on each of their many clients, lawyers are often unable to conduct interviews, review evidence, or pursue avenues of investigation that could be crucial to their defense.

[lukethedrifter]

My daughter would answer 'public defenders' after meeting them at "I want to be a lawyer" camp.

Would be interested in hearing more about that

She sent me a text while having lunch with a group of public defenders saying that she would never want that job. I was concerned that it was because it was too difficult so I replied something like 'yeah, tough gig'. She texted back 'not that. they are the most bitter and mean people i've ever met'. 'would not want to work in that environment'.

It would be awful. The "clients" don't have to worry about paying you so they can bug you all they want - especially if they are in jail. 99% of the time they are guilty and can't understand why you can't get them off "Johnny Cochran style". They think you are working with the cops, prosecutors, and judges and conspiring against them. They don't show up for court half the time. They all know somebody who got a better deal. Etc., etc.

Beyond that, I think it is that they are underpaid and overworked, not given a real chance to put up a real defense for many of their clients. See: the New Orleans public defenders office http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/201 ... on_60.html or the Missouri public defender's office assigning the Gov a case http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... the-govern

[Diddy]

My daughter would answer 'public defenders' after meeting them at "I want to be a lawyer" camp.

My sister is a layer, a surprisingly high number of her circle of friends wanted to be public defenders. I think some had a romanticized view of helping out innnocent defenders. Some wanted to help out poor and underprivileged people. I'm pretty sure all but one of them had family practices to come back to and their families were financially set. The other one ended up marrying into one of those families anyway. My sister went on the other end of the spectrum and went to a Fortune 500 company.

[lukethedrifter]

My daughter would answer 'public defenders' after meeting them at "I want to be a lawyer" camp.

My sister is a layer, a surprisingly high number of her circle of friends wanted to be public defenders. I think some had a romanticized view of helping out innnocent defenders. Some wanted to help out poor and underprivileged people. I'm pretty sure all but one of them had family practices to come back to and their families were financially set. The other one ended up marrying into one of those families anyway. My sister went on the other end of the spectrum and went to a Fortune 500 company.

Completely baselessly, I made up the stat that 5% of public defenders were saints and 95% finished in the bottom of their class and could get no other job.