Pitching stat

Izzyman · Post by **Izzyman** » April 27 07, 11:17 am

I have always wanted to envent a pitching statistic that took into account both IP and ERA to try and see the overall value of a pitcher and I think I have a pretty good idea. You would multiply IP by the amount over or under the league average the pitchers ERA was. For example if a pitcher pitched 200 innings and had an ERA .25 below the league average his score would be 200 X .25= 50. If a reliever went 60 IP and 1.00 plus his score would be 6o.
Are there any stats that are very similar to this that I'm forgeting? If not what do you think?

longhornbaseball · Post by **longhornbaseball** » April 27 07, 11:27 am

stldogget05 · Post by **stldogget05** » April 27 07, 11:29 am

What if they are over league ave? Would it be negative? That doesn't seem to work too well.

Ace · Post by **Ace** » April 27 07, 11:31 am

Izzyman · Post by **Izzyman** » April 27 07, 11:32 am

stldogget05 wrote:What if they are over league ave? Would it be negative? That doesn't seem to work too well.

If you were just above average you would be around 5 and just below you would be around -5.

jim · Post by **jim** » April 27 07, 11:33 am

Like longhorn said, you pretty much described VORP.

The fairly uncommon stat that I've always thought should gain more acceptance is, shoot I can't remember the name!

But it goes like this, say your starter pitches 6 innings and gives up 1 earned run. He loads the bases to start the 7th, and is relieved. The reliever performs acrobatics and gets out without a run.

Traditionally you would charge the starter 1 ER in 6 IP, with this stat you would charge him about 3.4 ER in 6IP. You take the expected amount of runs allowed in a situation (about 2.4 with the bases loaded and 0 outs) and charge that to the guy who put them on. The reliever gets charged -2.4 runs, because he actually allowed 0 of those to come in. So you could actually have a negative value for this stat.

Anyone know what this is called?

Izzyman · Post by **Izzyman** » April 27 07, 11:34 am

longhornbaseball wrote:VORP

It was to perfect for someone not to have thought of it. I am an idiot.

Izzyman · Post by **Izzyman** » April 27 07, 11:36 am

jim wrote:Like longhorn said, you pretty much described VORP.

The fairly uncommon stat that I've always thought should gain more acceptance is, shoot I can't remember the name!

But it goes like this, say your starter pitches 6 innings and gives up 1 earned run. He loads the bases to start the 7th, and is relieved. The reliever performs acrobatics and gets out without a run.

Traditionally you would charge the starter 1 ER in 6 IP, with this stat you would charge him about 3.4 ER in 6IP. You take the expected amount of runs allowed in a situation (about 2.4 with the bases loaded and 0 outs) and charge that to the guy who put them on. The reliever gets charged -2.4 runs, because he actually allowed 0 of those to come in. So you could actually have a negative value for this stat.

Anyone know what this is called?

I don't know what its called but it makes sense.

jim · Post by **jim** » April 27 07, 11:39 am

Izzyman wrote:
jim wrote:Like longhorn said, you pretty much described VORP.

The fairly uncommon stat that I've always thought should gain more acceptance is, shoot I can't remember the name!

But it goes like this, say your starter pitches 6 innings and gives up 1 earned run. He loads the bases to start the 7th, and is relieved. The reliever performs acrobatics and gets out without a run.

Traditionally you would charge the starter 1 ER in 6 IP, with this stat you would charge him about 3.4 ER in 6IP. You take the expected amount of runs allowed in a situation (about 2.4 with the bases loaded and 0 outs) and charge that to the guy who put them on. The reliever gets charged -2.4 runs, because he actually allowed 0 of those to come in. So you could actually have a negative value for this stat.

Anyone know what this is called?
I don't know what its called but it makes sense.

I think so. It also dings the reliever who comes in with a guy on 1st and 2 outs and allows the run. The run expectancy with that is about .25, so if he allows the run to score he gets dinged .75ER for him, with the other .25 going to the guy that put him on.

It's silly when a reliever comes in, gives up a triple, then gets the next guy out and has a 0 in his stat line.

Asmodai · Post by **Asmodai** » April 27 07, 11:40 am

jim wrote:Like longhorn said, you pretty much described VORP.

The fairly uncommon stat that I've always thought should gain more acceptance is, shoot I can't remember the name!

But it goes like this, say your starter pitches 6 innings and gives up 1 earned run. He loads the bases to start the 7th, and is relieved. The reliever performs acrobatics and gets out without a run.

Traditionally you would charge the starter 1 ER in 6 IP, with this stat you would charge him about 3.4 ER in 6IP. You take the expected amount of runs allowed in a situation (about 2.4 with the bases loaded and 0 outs) and charge that to the guy who put them on. The reliever gets charged -2.4 runs, because he actually allowed 0 of those to come in. So you could actually have a negative value for this stat.

Anyone know what this is called?

fair era.