Former Cardinals Watch
- dan_yall
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Re: Former Cardinals Watch
2019 could be the year that finally breaks the Hall of Fame ballot. Here's the top 10 players on the ballot by career bWAR:
Name bWAR
Barry Bonds 162.8
Roger Clemens 139.6
Mike Mussina 83
Curt Schilling 79.6
Larry Walker 72.7
Scott Rolen 70.2
Manny Ramirez 69.4
Edgar Martinez 68.4
Roy Halladay 64.3
Andruw Jones 62.8
Who gets in? Voters are going to either have to cave on PEDs and finally put Bonds and Clemens in, or cave on the "small hall" super restrictive standards and put "borderline" guys like Mussina, Rolen, Walker, and Martinez in.
Would Rolen go in as a Cardinal? I would think so. He had far and away his best season here in 2004, won two NL Pennants, and a World Series.
Name bWAR
Barry Bonds 162.8
Roger Clemens 139.6
Mike Mussina 83
Curt Schilling 79.6
Larry Walker 72.7
Scott Rolen 70.2
Manny Ramirez 69.4
Edgar Martinez 68.4
Roy Halladay 64.3
Andruw Jones 62.8
Who gets in? Voters are going to either have to cave on PEDs and finally put Bonds and Clemens in, or cave on the "small hall" super restrictive standards and put "borderline" guys like Mussina, Rolen, Walker, and Martinez in.
Would Rolen go in as a Cardinal? I would think so. He had far and away his best season here in 2004, won two NL Pennants, and a World Series.
- Swirls
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Re: Former Cardinals Watch
Or stick to their outdated approach and not cave at all, and not vote anyone in.dan_yall wrote:2019 could be the year that finally breaks the Hall of Fame ballot. Here's the top 10 players on the ballot by career bWAR:
Name bWAR
Barry Bonds 162.8
Roger Clemens 139.6
Mike Mussina 83
Curt Schilling 79.6
Larry Walker 72.7
Scott Rolen 70.2
Manny Ramirez 69.4
Edgar Martinez 68.4
Roy Halladay 64.3
Andruw Jones 62.8
Who gets in? Voters are going to either have to cave on PEDs and finally put Bonds and Clemens in, or cave on the "small hall" super restrictive standards and put "borderline" guys like Mussina, Rolen, Walker, and Martinez in.
Would Rolen go in as a Cardinal? I would think so. He had far and away his best season here in 2004, won two NL Pennants, and a World Series.
- dan_yall
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Re: Former Cardinals Watch
I think that qualifies as "breaking the hall of fame ballot."Swirls wrote:Or stick to their outdated approach and not cave at all, and not vote anyone in.dan_yall wrote:2019 could be the year that finally breaks the Hall of Fame ballot. Here's the top 10 players on the ballot by career bWAR:
Name bWAR
Barry Bonds 162.8
Roger Clemens 139.6
Mike Mussina 83
Curt Schilling 79.6
Larry Walker 72.7
Scott Rolen 70.2
Manny Ramirez 69.4
Edgar Martinez 68.4
Roy Halladay 64.3
Andruw Jones 62.8
Who gets in? Voters are going to either have to cave on PEDs and finally put Bonds and Clemens in, or cave on the "small hall" super restrictive standards and put "borderline" guys like Mussina, Rolen, Walker, and Martinez in.
Would Rolen go in as a Cardinal? I would think so. He had far and away his best season here in 2004, won two NL Pennants, and a World Series.
EDIT: nvm, I guess it's already happened a few times. 2013 being the most recent. I can't wait for them to unveil the plaque of sole inductee 1890's legend Bart "Four Toes" McGoo, inventor of the eephus.
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Re: Former Cardinals Watch
Really good article on Rolen and hall of fame
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jaws-an ... ott-rolen/
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jaws-an ... ott-rolen/
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dmarx114
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Re: Former Cardinals Watch
This times a million.Joe Shlabotnik wrote:Says more about WAR than it does about Polanco.haltz wrote:more career WAR than YadiInvincibleCakeEater wrote:Bill Madden gave Placido Polanco a HOF vote.
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dmarx114
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Re: Former Cardinals Watch
I would eventually vote for all 10 guys you listed. But my 2019 ballot would have Rivera instead of Jones.dan_yall wrote:2019 could be the year that finally breaks the Hall of Fame ballot. Here's the top 10 players on the ballot by career bWAR:
Name bWAR
Barry Bonds 162.8
Roger Clemens 139.6
Mike Mussina 83
Curt Schilling 79.6
Larry Walker 72.7
Scott Rolen 70.2
Manny Ramirez 69.4
Edgar Martinez 68.4
Roy Halladay 64.3
Andruw Jones 62.8
Who gets in? Voters are going to either have to cave on PEDs and finally put Bonds and Clemens in, or cave on the "small hall" super restrictive standards and put "borderline" guys like Mussina, Rolen, Walker, and Martinez in.
Would Rolen go in as a Cardinal? I would think so. He had far and away his best season here in 2004, won two NL Pennants, and a World Series.
- mikechamp
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Re: Former Cardinals Watch
I'd really like to see him get in the Hall, but I get the vibe he's going to end up in the Hall of Very Good.Big Amoco Sign wrote:Really good article on Rolen and hall of fame
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jaws-an ... ott-rolen/
Silver lining - if he does get inducted, he might deliver the most boring speech evar. Or, it would be really short.
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Re: Former Cardinals Watch
Met Sam Tuivailala tonight.
Works out at my gym here in the south Bay Area.
Nice dude. Said the Goldschmidt trade is huge. Wouldn’t comment on Matheny when I asked about him... ha! Guy has gotten bigger and wonders about what kind of direction the Mariners go and his future. He’s really straight up.
Works out at my gym here in the south Bay Area.
Nice dude. Said the Goldschmidt trade is huge. Wouldn’t comment on Matheny when I asked about him... ha! Guy has gotten bigger and wonders about what kind of direction the Mariners go and his future. He’s really straight up.
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Re: Former Cardinals Watch
I couldn’t pull sam tuivailala out of a lineup, so im impressed.
Anyway, that’s awesome!
Anyway, that’s awesome!
- CardsofSTL
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