NFL 2010 Week 4

[JL21]

Wasn't the 11-5 year Parcells' and Tony Soprano's first season?

Parcells joined the Dolphins late in '07.

December '07. That '07 team was definitely not his first team. The first team he built was the '08 squad that went 11-5.

[phins]

Wasn't the 11-5 year Parcells' and Tony Soprano's first season?

First year, yup. If you looked at their schedule that year though, you knew they weren't nearly as good as their record. Went 7-9 the next year, and probably about that or worse this year.

He's turned them from awful to mediocre. Problem is, they really aren't getting any better, and they don't get to play the NZfC West again for another few years.

[phins]

At least they fired their special teams coach today.

Next up, the OC.

Aftr next year, I'm afraid it will probably the HC. Though the perfect storm year of '08 might buy him one more year after that. Nolan was a good hire as DC, but the coaching staff as a whole needs upgraded. Maybe the ST guy was the total culprit, but I doubt it.

[Freed Roger]

Wasn't the 11-5 year Parcells' and Tony Soprano's first season?

First year, yup. If you looked at their schedule that year though, you knew they weren't nearly as good as their record. Went 7-9 the next year, and probably about that or worse this year.

He's turned them from awful to mediocre. Problem is, they really aren't getting any better, and they don't get to play the NZfC West again for another few years.

Dolphins have average talent IMO -if not for the QB position it would be above average. They looked like they were going to play with the Pats until the monumental special team meltdowns. Like you said though - with their division and conference -it is not enough.

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[phins]

Wasn't the 11-5 year Parcells' and Tony Soprano's first season?

First year, yup. If you looked at their schedule that year though, you knew they weren't nearly as good as their record. Went 7-9 the next year, and probably about that or worse this year.

He's turned them from awful to mediocre. Problem is, they really aren't getting any better, and they don't get to play the NZfC West again for another few years.

Dolphins have average talent IMO -if not for the QB position it would be above average. They looked like they were going to play with the Pats until the monumental special team meltdowns. Like you said though - with their division and conference -it is not enough.

In the first half, they were better than the Pats. Both interceptions were on first down, and with Miami looking like they were going to put up points. The two INT's were the killers.

[phins]

What makes you say they have average talent, just for curiosity sake?

Elite LT, upper tier ground game, elite WR, elite ILB, elite SS, elite CB in Vontae Davis. Solid pass rusher in Wake.

I think they're plenty talented, but as you say, the QB has to play better.

[JL21]

What makes you say they have average talent, just for curiosity sake?

Elite LT, upper tier ground game, elite WR, elite ILB, elite SS, elite CB in Vontae Davis. Solid pass rusher in Wake.

I think they're plenty talented, but as you say, the QB has to play better.

I interpreted what he said as "above average talent" but Henne brings them down to average.

[Freed Roger]

What makes you say they have average talent, just for curiosity sake?

Elite LT, upper tier ground game, elite WR, elite ILB, elite SS, elite CB in Vontae Davis. Solid pass rusher in Wake.

I think they're plenty talented, but as you say, the QB has to play better.

I'm not really disagreeing with you-I don't see Dolphins much-but have the last 2 weeks. Can't disagree with the groups you mentioned - plus that Bess guy. My point was -they look like they have have more than enough talent to win games if they don't make dumb mistakes.

[phins]

What makes you say they have average talent, just for curiosity sake?

Elite LT, upper tier ground game, elite WR, elite ILB, elite SS, elite CB in Vontae Davis. Solid pass rusher in Wake.

I think they're plenty talented, but as you say, the QB has to play better.

I'm not really disagreeing with you-I don't see Dolphins much-but have the last 2 weeks. Can't disagree with the groups you mentioned - plus that Bess guy. My point was -they look like they have have more than enough talent to win games if they don't make dumb mistakes.

Absolutely agree! I tend to blame the coaching staff more for the dumb mistakes, but that could be making them a scapegoat.