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[Leroy]

I think no question you take the SEC/whatever conference team there. Boise might beat that team head to head, but the other school did much, much more.

So Boise State will never deserve a shot at a National Title until they join the Pac-12 or Big XII?

Or they could schedule four non-cons the quality of VT and Oregon St. If they made it all the way through that, it'd be hard to argue that they don't belong.

Some guy on ESPN radio said something that made sense. He said that Boise should schedule three ranked teams and then he'd be fine with them. I guess not much different than your idea.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think no question you take the SEC/whatever conference team there. Boise might beat that team head to head, but the other school did much, much more.

So Boise State will never deserve a shot at a National Title until they join the Pac-12 or Big XII?

No, they could deserve it as early as next year when they're in the MWC. Just like how the SEC and Big 12 are better conferences than the Big East, there's a difference between non-BCS conferences. And the WAC is horrendous. Boise plays Wyoming next week and it's like the 5th best game on their schedule. Next year when they're in Wyoming's conference, that game will be anywhere from the 7th to 9th best game depending on their non-con and the relative strength of someone like Air Force or Colorado State.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

Here's another question that I have. Is it even possible for two teams from the same conference to make it to the BCS title game? Because, here's a situation I've thought about that could play out, however unlikely.

In the worst case scenario (for the BCS), you'd have to have a situation where two West or East teams played each other early in the year (say Arkansas and Alabama sans Ingram), Arkansas wins a close game at home and wins out, thereby winning the SEC West. Meanwhile, Alabama gets Ingram back and tears through the rest of the season, just smashing everyone including Florida. Florida wins the SEC East and beats and undefeated Arkansas team in the SEC champ. Alabama could make a case at that point that they deserve (obviously FL would get in for winning the SEC) and it would be a legit point, especially if everyone else vying to get in also has one loss. Could you see a replay of a regular season game in the BCS champ.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Here's another question that I have. Is it even possible for two teams from the same conference to make it to the BCS title game? Because, here's a situation I've thought about that could play out, however unlikely.

In the worst case scenario (for the BCS), you'd have to have a situation where two West or East teams played each other early in the year (say Arkansas and Alabama sans Ingram), Arkansas wins a close game at home and wins out, thereby winning the SEC West. Meanwhile, Alabama gets Ingram back and tears through the rest of the season, just smashing everyone including Florida. Florida wins the SEC East and beats and undefeated Arkansas team in the SEC champ. Alabama could make a case at that point that they deserve (obviously FL would get in for winning the SEC) and it would be a legit point, especially if everyone else vying to get in also has one loss. Could you see a replay of a regular season game in the BCS champ.

The closest we came is OSU/Michigan a couple years ago. With most conferences having divisions it would have to play out like you said, a very close game between divisional teams with the home team winning early in the conference schedule. A mitigating circumstance like a big injury would help too. Really tough in the current system though.

[vinsanity]

Here's another question that I have. Is it even possible for two teams from the same conference to make it to the BCS title game? Because, here's a situation I've thought about that could play out, however unlikely.

In the worst case scenario (for the BCS), you'd have to have a situation where two West or East teams played each other early in the year (say Arkansas and Alabama sans Ingram), Arkansas wins a close game at home and wins out, thereby winning the SEC West. Meanwhile, Alabama gets Ingram back and tears through the rest of the season, just smashing everyone including Florida. Florida wins the SEC East and beats and undefeated Arkansas team in the SEC champ. Alabama could make a case at that point that they deserve (obviously FL would get in for winning the SEC) and it would be a legit point, especially if everyone else vying to get in also has one loss. Could you see a replay of a regular season game in the BCS champ.

It almost happened a few years ago when #1 and #2 OSU and Michigan played in the last week of the season, both undefeated.

OSU won by a field goal at home, but Florida made the Championship game over Michigan.

[vinsanity]

I think no question you take the SEC/whatever conference team there. Boise might beat that team head to head, but the other school did much, much more.

So Boise State will never deserve a shot at a National Title until they join the Pac-12 or Big XII?

No, they could deserve it as early as next year when they're in the MWC. Just like how the SEC and Big 12 are better conferences than the Big East, there's a difference between non-BCS conferences. And the WAC is horrendous. Boise plays Wyoming next week and it's like the 5th best game on their schedule. Next year when they're in Wyoming's conference, that game will be anywhere from the 7th to 9th best game depending on their non-con and the relative strength of someone like Air Force or Colorado State.

I suppose that's fair, but I didn't think you'd give the MWC that much weight. I mean if an undefeated Boise doesn't deserve it, an undefeated Big East team doesn't deserve it more than a 1 loss Big 10/SEC/Big XII/Pac 12 team IMO

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

I think no question you take the SEC/whatever conference team there. Boise might beat that team head to head, but the other school did much, much more.

So Boise State will never deserve a shot at a National Title until they join the Pac-12 or Big XII?

No, they could deserve it as early as next year when they're in the MWC. Just like how the SEC and Big 12 are better conferences than the Big East, there's a difference between non-BCS conferences. And the WAC is horrendous. Boise plays Wyoming next week and it's like the 5th best game on their schedule. Next year when they're in Wyoming's conference, that game will be anywhere from the 7th to 9th best game depending on their non-con and the relative strength of someone like Air Force or Colorado State.

I don't think anyone is saying they don't deserve it. Just that in the current setup there are teams that are equally or more deserving.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

Here's another question that I have. Is it even possible for two teams from the same conference to make it to the BCS title game? Because, here's a situation I've thought about that could play out, however unlikely.

In the worst case scenario (for the BCS), you'd have to have a situation where two West or East teams played each other early in the year (say Arkansas and Alabama sans Ingram), Arkansas wins a close game at home and wins out, thereby winning the SEC West. Meanwhile, Alabama gets Ingram back and tears through the rest of the season, just smashing everyone including Florida. Florida wins the SEC East and beats and undefeated Arkansas team in the SEC champ. Alabama could make a case at that point that they deserve (obviously FL would get in for winning the SEC) and it would be a legit point, especially if everyone else vying to get in also has one loss. Could you see a replay of a regular season game in the BCS champ.

It almost happened a few years ago when #1 and #2 OSU and Michigan played in the last week of the season, both undefeated.

OSU won by a field goal at home, but Florida made the Championship game over Michigan.

Right, but that was the last week of the season.

[obucard]

Here's another question that I have. Is it even possible for two teams from the same conference to make it to the BCS title game? Because, here's a situation I've thought about that could play out, however unlikely.

In the worst case scenario (for the BCS), you'd have to have a situation where two West or East teams played each other early in the year (say Arkansas and Alabama sans Ingram), Arkansas wins a close game at home and wins out, thereby winning the SEC West. Meanwhile, Alabama gets Ingram back and tears through the rest of the season, just smashing everyone including Florida. Florida wins the SEC East and beats and undefeated Arkansas team in the SEC champ. Alabama could make a case at that point that they deserve (obviously FL would get in for winning the SEC) and it would be a legit point, especially if everyone else vying to get in also has one loss. Could you see a replay of a regular season game in the BCS champ.

The closest we came is OSU/Michigan a couple years ago. With most conferences having divisions it would have to play out like you said, a very close game between divisional teams with the home team winning early in the conference schedule. A mitigating circumstance like a big injury would help too. Really tough in the current system though.

The funny thing is very few realize how big a bullet the BCS dodged with that. 3 teams in the Big Ten that year finished with 1 loss or fewer: Ohio St, Michigan, and Wisconsin. OSU was undefeated, Michigan lost to OSU, and Wisconsin lost to Michigan. If Wisconsin had beaten Michigan, the Big Ten would have had 2 teams finish undefeated--something only possible in that conference--as well as the only 2 undefeated teams in the country (which puts them both in the national championship game).

[JoeMcKim]

Didn't they have something like that not too long ago in the Big 12 with Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma all finishing the year with 1 loss each all against one of the teams listed here?