NBA Offseason Thread.

[thrill]

I think he's well aware of all of this and said [expletive] it, I want to win.

Which is ducking the challenge. It's fine. He made a good choice, but he forfeited his alpha dog legacy. If he doesn't care, then he's a better person than the legends I mentioned who's mania drove them to be the best but also made them all borderline sociopaths. He's also not as a great basketball player.

This is more about playing with Wade. The basketball community seemed to be unanimous in being ok with a Chicago or NY move. Chicago would have been just as easy to win titles, but they would have been his. Playing with a stronger leader, not taking shots at the end of games or being the go-to guy in the locker room or interview room is what everyone has a problem with. It's not necessarily leaving the Cavs.

[TimeForGuinness]

I see why Cleveland fans are bummed and how he looks like an ass for his special. But all of this legacy, abandonment, buying a championship, Cleveland needs a hero stuff is bull [expletive]. You play to win the game. Doesn't take a genius to see that Miami gives him a better chance than Cleveland to do it.

I can see your point, but how you win is just as important.

LeBron was coined as the "next Jordan"...especially after Kobe screwed up. He had a similar style and flair...and wore the same number. Jordan stuck with one team (as did Bird, Magic, and Kobe) and brought multiple championships to his city. It was Jordan's team...hell, it was Jordan's NBA.

When LeBron chose to go to Miami, he ceased to be the heir to Jordan...which is what everyone was looking for (Much like we consider Pujols the heir to Musial)...especially Cleveland. Now all that is wiped out and while wiping it out, he wiped his ass with Cleveland.

He may win some rings, but I don't think he'll win his respect back.

People were looking to him to claim the throne from Jordan, and by turning it down while wiping his ass with Cleveland is a disappointment and cruel.

Like Omaha said, it's how he did it...but add with that "why he did it"...and you can see how it's disappointing in many different ways.

[phins]

I'll say what I said earlier.

Jordan brought championships to his team. So did Bird. So did Magic. So did Duncan. So did Kobe. So did Hakeem. Heck, even Dwyane Wade. They toughed it out until it happened.

Lebron failed.

All of them, every single one, had a borderline to Hall-of-Fame player on their teams as well.

[Rieges]

Bulls sign Korver. Reportedly a 3-year, $15M deal. I don't really know much about him but his 3-pt% looks nice.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/n ... id=5367796

[Socnorb11]

I'll say what I said earlier.

Jordan brought championships to his team. So did Bird. So did Magic. So did Duncan. So did Kobe. So did Hakeem. Heck, even Dwyane Wade. They toughed it out until it happened.

Lebron failed.

All of them, every single one, had a borderline to Hall-of-Fame player on their teams as well.

You think Tim Duncan did?

Lebron needed help in Cleveland. Nobody is denying that. But you keep fighting until you get help. Jordan didn't win until he was 28 years old, and his legacy is the greatest ever. Lebron is only 25. It could have happened.

Regardless, Lebron's legacy is virtually dead. He may win championships, but this whole thing is a major scar on his career.

[Socnorb11]

I see why Cleveland fans are bummed and how he looks like an ass for his special. But all of this legacy, abandonment, buying a championship, Cleveland needs a hero stuff is bull [expletive]. You play to win the game. Doesn't take a genius to see that Miami gives him a better chance than Cleveland to do it.

James Worthy, Steve Kerr, BJ Armstrong, Luke Walton, etc. all have won championships. You think anybody really cares? They do..... and their families, I suppose. But they're nothing special just because they won championships. Lebron had a chance to be REALLY special. Not now.

Are you really trying to compare those guys to LeBron? You seem to be forgetting that he also could have signed with the Cavs and they could have kept bringing in the Larry Hughes' of the world like they have for the last 7 freaking years and he plays 6 more years without a ring. What's special about that? He's going to keep on being the best player in the game, he's going to win rings and a few years from now everyone is going to remember Cleveland for being the team that had the best player in the game and couldn't get the talent to win with him.

You simply said "you play to win the game". Those guys won...... just like Lebron will.

Or are you saying now that there's more to it than simply winning?

[Lesson]

I'll say what I said earlier.

Jordan brought championships to his team. So did Bird. So did Magic. So did Duncan. So did Kobe. So did Hakeem. Heck, even Dwyane Wade. They toughed it out until it happened.

Lebron failed.

All of them, every single one, had a borderline to Hall-of-Fame player on their teams as well.

You think Tim Duncan did?

Lebron needed help in Cleveland. Nobody is denying that. But you keep fighting until you get help. Jordan didn't win until he was 28 years old, and his legacy is the greatest ever. Lebron is only 25. It could have happened.

Regardless, Lebron's legacy is virtually dead. He may win championships, but this whole thing is a major scar on his career.

Tim Duncan had David Robinson...

[InvincibleCakeEater]

You simply said "you play to win the game". Those guys won...... just like Lebron will.

Or are you saying now that there's more to it than simply winning?

I really have no idea what you're trying to say here.

[Socnorb11]

I'll say what I said earlier.

Jordan brought championships to his team. So did Bird. So did Magic. So did Duncan. So did Kobe. So did Hakeem. Heck, even Dwyane Wade. They toughed it out until it happened.

Lebron failed.

All of them, every single one, had a borderline to Hall-of-Fame player on their teams as well.

You think Tim Duncan did?

Lebron needed help in Cleveland. Nobody is denying that. But you keep fighting until you get help. Jordan didn't win until he was 28 years old, and his legacy is the greatest ever. Lebron is only 25. It could have happened.

Regardless, Lebron's legacy is virtually dead. He may win championships, but this whole thing is a major scar on his career.

Tim Duncan had David Robinson...

Not for the last one, right?

[Socnorb11]

You simply said "you play to win the game". Those guys won...... just like Lebron will.

Or are you saying now that there's more to it than simply winning?

I really have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Clearly.