NBA Offseason Thread.

[MrSaigon]

So, so thirsty.

[SHOW]

Did anyone watch. What did they do for an hour?

There are a lot of weasels out there like LeBron (a Yankees and Cowboys fan) who will soak up the Heat.

[InvincibleCakeEater]

From Forbes Sports Money Blog

Heat franchise valuation goes up to appx $400m from $364, Cavs goes down to $370m from $476m.

[Maclowery]

Wow, I would write a really shiddy, bitter message or three if I lost 100 million dollars in 15 second, too. Ouch.

[Centreville]

Skip Bayless was right about him all along. He can't win the big one on his own, so he latches on to someone else in order to win it.

[Socnorb11]

Van Gundy makes a good point........... It seems like Lebron/Bosh/Wade have lost sight of how much it means to PURSUE a championship, rather than simply trying to find the easiest route to winning one. It seems a little shallow that Lebron chose to play with those guys, rather than compete against them.

Jordan wasn't always surrounded by all stars. It was a process. Same for Kobe.

I don't even know what to say about that. I mean, Jordan had what, 2-3 rings by the time Scottie (top 50 all time player) Pippen joined him, didn't he? Kobe had nobody on his team when he was drafted. Shaq, Horry, Van Exel, Elden Campbell, Eddie Jones, who are these guys?

I have a suspicious feeling that if he had stayed in Cleveland right now you would be talking about how he's all about the money and has to be "the man" on his team.

The ONLY way I would have respected him is if he had stayed in Cleveland, and tried to bring a championship to his team, rather than trying to take the easy route to one.

Pippen a top 50 player all time? You really buy that? Ya' think maybe Jordan had something to do with his success? Take a look at Pippen's last year playing with Jordan, and his first year without Jordan. He wasn't the same guy.

Magic never chose to play with Bird........ they chose to compete against each other. Jordan never chose to play with Karl Malone or Hakeem...... they chose to compete against each other. Kobe could have bolted and signed on with Tim Dunca, but he chose to compete against him.

I guess Lebron's theory is - if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

[Popeye_Card]

Proposed nickname for LeBron: The Contra Code.

[Socnorb11]

By the way, don't give me this crap about him being so "unselfish" because he didn't take the max contract. It's not like he sacrificed tens of millions of dollars for his charity. He simply chose to buy a championship, rather than work his tail off for one. It's something HE wants, so he's willing to pay for it. It's still about HIM.

[The Third Man]

Pippen a top 50 player all time? You really buy that? Ya' think maybe Jordan had something to do with his success? Take a look at Pippen's last year playing with Jordan, and his first year without Jordan. He wasn't the same guy.

Uh, what? Pippen is easily a top fifty player of all time. Anybody that disagrees really needs to take another look. Hell, if I remember right Bill Simmons has him in his top 25. He was on the NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team in 1996 - only halfway through his career!

And, you're right, Pippen wasn't the same guy in his two years without Jordan as he was in his last year with him. He was demonstrably better across the board. His FG% (and eFG% and TS%) actually went up despite increased usage, his turnover percentage didn't suffer, he grabbed a higher percentage of rebounds, he dished out as many assists, he had the two highest defensive ratings of his career. So, he had more points, more assists, more rebounds, more steals, and was more efficient in doing all of those things, all while turning the ball over at the same rate. He finished 4th and 7th in the NBA in PER in his two years without Jordan, the only two appearances in the top ten for him. Oh, and he was one of the best, most versatile defenders in NBA history. Did you think it was the contributions of BJ Armstrong and Horance Grant that let the Bulls lose only two more games the next season after losing the best player in the NBA?

In conclusion, wut.

[vinsanity]

Proposed nickname for LeBron: The Contra Code.

LeBenedict?

[The Third Man]

By the way, don't give me this crap about him being so "unselfish" because he didn't take the max contract. It's not like he sacrificed tens of millions of dollars for his charity. He simply chose to buy a championship, rather than work his tail off for one. It's something HE wants, so he's willing to pay for it. It's still about HIM.

Would you have said this if he'd gone to the Bulls (who have an excellent roster which with the addition of LeBron would've been a juggernaut)? Or NY? Basically, what could LeBron have done to make this not "about him"? Stuck with Cleveland and their roster that will be lucky to make higher than a 7th seed (and that might be generous) without him next year?