phinstd wrote: I just don't think doing it with another great player diminishes his accomplishments.
vinsanity wrote:I don't think that's what anyones saying.
I took it to mean his 'legend' will be greater if he does it in Cleveland vs. moving to Miami/NY/NJ to get his rings.
That, to me, is the definition of diminishing his accomplishments.
If LeBron jumps ship, he won't be synonymous with Cleveland, his 'legend' takes a hit (is the argument). I think there's something to it.
His legend takes a hit in Cleveland, perhaps, but if he wins a zillion rings with a new team, who cares. Do you really think an NBA player cares about anything other than rings and money? I sure don't.
I think Lebron cares about more than rings and money. I honestly think he wants to leave a legacy. Why else would he even CONSIDER staying in Cleveland?
And Rudy Gay!!! Argh, seriously?! The Grizzlies are a near-last place team with or without him. Why burn 80 mill for a near - allstar just because he's your best guy?
I don't mean any disrespect toward Rudyyyyyy, he'd be a terrific second or third guy on a premium team. But, wow, 80 million? Jeez.
I am amazed that the first two major signings are soooooooo bad. Wow. Damnit Johnson ya shoulda gone to Chi with Bosh for 80 mill over 6 and tried for a championship. Have fun bein the Man for a 45 win team.
Stupid first day by the front offices. Gay gets 80 mil. Johnson gets the max. Drew Gooden gets five years full MLE? The guy has played for seven teams in the last three years. I don't know much about Amir Johnson, but the numbers don't scream 'give me five years.' Darko also got five years.
Was I the only guy who wanted Gay to go to Minnesota where he could play with Love and Sessions?
MrSaigon wrote:Stupid first day by the front offices. Gay gets 80 mil. Johnson gets the max. Drew Gooden gets five years full MLE? The guy has played for seven teams in the last three years. I don't know much about Amir Johnson, but the numbers don't scream 'give me five years.' Darko also got five years.
Was I the only guy who wanted Gay to go to Minnesota where he could play with Love and Sessions?
With Gay, I can at least somewhat follow the thought process in wanting to do what it takes to keep him. Gooden and Darko, though? Was there really that much of a market for these two that these teams felt like they had to offer 5-year deals?
Amir Johnson getting that money was the worst. He was with the Pistons for a few years when he came into the league, and was a total flop. It was so bad they didn't even play the kid anymore. He's just long and athletic. He isn't a good basketball player though.
Teams treat these players like lottery tickets that cost more than the lottery winnings.
thrill wrote:He and Wade play too similar a role in the offense. Every play funnels through them at some point whether it's an isolation, dribble drive, bringing the ball up or running off a screen and there just aren't enough basketballs to go around.
Also, I would be shocked if LeBron was ego-less enough to leave a legacy where he wasn't the guy on a championship team. I think they know that they couldn't be co-alpha dogs.
Wade-Bosh to the Bulls would certainly be realistic. Wade-LeBron is not, imo.
Rumors are (obviously this will change in about two minutes):
Stoudemire and Johnson agreed to take less money for NY to get them and LeBron.
LeBron leaning Cleveland with hiring of Byron Scott which will be followed by a trade for Chris Paul.
Wade is leaning to the Bulls provided they can supply Bosh or Boozer.
Bosh and Wade met together, with their agent tonight with the Bulls.
Unrelated, but it sounds like Deng for Bayless with Portland is a strong possibility.
If Wade-Bosh to Chicago happens, Miami could be the worst team ever next season. As of now, I don't believe any of this, especially from Wade.
