Big Ten Expansion

[StL Dan]

Sure, they have some Elite 8 appearances. But outside of Kansas, who is a traditional power? Who has a brand in basketball? Nobody, really. It is a football conference who's alright in b-ball, with one consistent power program. The ACC in football is easily on par with the Big 12's b-ball.

Dead on.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

KenPom conference rankings for the Big 12:

2010: 2nd
2009: 4th
2008: 1st

It's much better than ACC football.

[JL21]

I don't agree at all. Every year, KU is a title contender in basketball, and then at least one or two more schools- often OU or Texas- will make a deep run at a title as well. It's not at all out of the realm of possibility that non-KU Big XII schools will sit in the top 5 in hoops.

Who does the ACC have in football that makes a title run? Who do they have that gets top 5 recognition? Admittedly, that used to be Miami and Florida St., but it's been awhile since that's happened, consistently, year in and year out.

In short, you can count on at least one and usually two Big XII teams having a deep run in the NCAA tournament. But ACC football has been, certainly in recent memory, an afterthought in terms of NC hopes in football.

I guess if we're talking broad mediocrity, or "depth" of sorts, I could go with that, in that there are a lot of ACC teams that aren't horrible in football the way there are Big XII teams that have been historically horrible in basketball. There's more traditional success top to bottom.

[TheoSqua]

Before this entire debacle I would have said that the Big12 is one of the 4 major conferences in the college universe.

[clevername]

ACC football has been down while Bobby Bowden's pride was ruining FSU and Miami was hiring [expletive] coaches. I believe those problems have been remedied or will be remedied soon. And with Va Tech and the emergence of Georgia Tech and the ACC will soon have 4 perennial top 15 programs eventually with FSU and UM back in the top 5-10 range semi-regularly.

While the conference has been down, it's not nearly as bad as it is portrayed. All it lacks compared to the big bads is a team or two in that elite tier and it's lacked those due to FSU and Miami being temporarily down.

That said, it is a basketball conference first. I was hoping FSU was going to end up in the SEC making SEC money after the dust settled from all this but that's not happening.

[obucard]

Texas turns down Pac-10

[lukethedrifter]

New name?

[SHOW]

The Big Texas Conference

[JL21]

Yeah, pretty much the entire conference is now going to have to bend over and take it from Texas. I'm suddenly very envious of Nebraska and Colorado.

Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M are expected to receive between $20 million and $25 million a year from the conference, the source believed, with Texas Tech and Oklahoma State on a second tier between $15 million and $17 million, and MU and others just below that.

That still would be an apparent leap for Missouri, which received just over $8.5 million in Big 12 revenue for 2007-08, the last year figures are available.

Multiple media outlets reported that Texas also was given the concession of being allowed to set up its own TV network.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports ... enDocument

And on top of all of that, Mizzou now has to play Texas and Oklahoma every year. And last but not least:

As for what MU would do if the Big Ten now beckoned, a source said the new deal included severe financial penalties for early withdrawal for at least the next 10 years.

[Faceman]

damn

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The entire conference got bent over by Texas before, all this does is keep the conference limping along for a while.