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vinsanity wrote:Why is the writing on the wall for the Big East? I know Rutgers and Pitt were mentioned as potential targets for the Big 10, but with 16 teams in basketball and no real football standouts, I don't see why they'd have as much trouble either staying with a 6 team football schedule or getting a basketball school to jump to D-I football to fill in.

But I think Louisville or Cincy would be ok to join the the Big 12, but I think based on population, what remains of the Big 12 might be better suited sliding in to the Big East. KU stays in a power basketball conference, the east coast might offer more tv sets and allow for a Big Ten type channel, like the Pac 10 is trying to do.
That's all I meant. Presumably if Mizzou isn't eventually picked by the Big Ten, it'll be because at least two (maybe three) Big East schools joined instead, which would leave the Big East in bad shape. You make a good point about hoops, though. It depends on Syracuse, although I'm doubting they'd be one of those squads added to the Big Ten.

If they joined the Big East, you're right back in the situation I'd think they would want to avoid- geographic chicanery. That's why I don't like the Mountain West all that much. It seems ridiculous that Mizzou (or KU or ISU or Baylor) would be traveling to Utah, Nevada, California, and New Mexico as part of their conference schedule (or New York, Connecticut, and Florida). And having that sort of geographic gap would kill interest, I think. It's one thing when you're talking about name recognition (i.e. I could see Mizzou or KSU or whatever fans having interest in Penn State or Ohio State). I'd love to see Mizzou playing those schools regularly. But there's no interest to be gained from seeing Mizzou play BYU or Utah or New Mexico. None. And [expletive], BYU is even good. Throw in travel costs and how it might hurt students in the other sports... I don't know. I don't like it.

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JL21 wrote:
vinsanity wrote:Why is the writing on the wall for the Big East? I know Rutgers and Pitt were mentioned as potential targets for the Big 10, but with 16 teams in basketball and no real football standouts, I don't see why they'd have as much trouble either staying with a 6 team football schedule or getting a basketball school to jump to D-I football to fill in.

But I think Louisville or Cincy would be ok to join the the Big 12, but I think based on population, what remains of the Big 12 might be better suited sliding in to the Big East. KU stays in a power basketball conference, the east coast might offer more tv sets and allow for a Big Ten type channel, like the Pac 10 is trying to do.
That's all I meant. Presumably if Mizzou isn't eventually picked by the Big Ten, it'll be because at least two (maybe three) Big East schools joined instead, which would leave the Big East in bad shape. You make a good point about hoops, though. It depends on Syracuse, although I'm doubting they'd be one of those squads added to the Big Ten.

If they joined the Big East, you're right back in the situation I'd think they would want to avoid- geographic chicanery. That's why I don't like the Mountain West all that much. It seems ridiculous that Mizzou (or KU or ISU or Baylor) would be traveling to Utah, Nevada, California, and New Mexico as part of their conference schedule (or New York, Connecticut, and Florida). And having that sort of geographic gap would kill interest, I think. It's one thing when you're talking about name recognition (i.e. I could see Mizzou or KSU or whatever fans having interest in Penn State or Ohio State). I'd love to see Mizzou playing those schools regularly. But there's no interest to be gained from seeing Mizzou play BYU or Utah or New Mexico. None. And [expletive], BYU is even good. Throw in travel costs and how it might hurt students in the other sports... I don't know. I don't like it.
As a Big 10 fan I'd rather see Mizzou and keep the Big 10 kind of a Mid-West conference. And while I agree that Mizzou and KSU traveling to Connecticut or whatever would be annoying, at the end of the day the exposure and money is what it's all about. I dunno how I feel about the missed class arguments, thought I'd say it effects smaller sports more because they play during the week and less likely to go in to a pro sport.

It'll be interesting to see

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I think the thread name should be changed to Big XII implosion.

Sporting News reporting Colorado leaving for Pac 10.

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Hopefully, Missouri (and Kansas) go to the Big 10.

If not, let them restart the Big 8.

Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
Cincinatti
Louisville
TCU

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robbotis wrote:Hopefully, Missouri (and Kansas) go to the Big 10.

If not, let them restart the Big 8.

Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
Cincinatti
Louisville
TCU
I hate that you'd be replacing Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Colorado, and Nebraska with Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville, and TCU. And that it's a viable option.

(I'm not being critical of your idea; I'm just whining and frustrated that Mizzou could very well end up in some weird, horrible no man's land of college athletics)

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JL21 wrote:
robbotis wrote:Hopefully, Missouri (and Kansas) go to the Big 10.

If not, let them restart the Big 8.

Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
Cincinatti
Louisville
TCU
I hate that you'd be replacing Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Colorado, and Nebraska with Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville, and TCU. And that it's a viable option.

(I'm not being critical of your idea; I'm just whining and frustrated that Mizzou could very well end up in some weird, horrible no man's land of college athletics)
Yeah, it is scary. It's interesting though. I think Missouri has to be a pretty good get for some conference. It's sports are pretty good, and it has STL and KC as TV markets. I think MU is too nice of a package to be left in no man's land.

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I guess KU's problem is Kansas. I mean, they have a nice university and an incredible basketball tradition yet nobody wants them.

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robbotis wrote:
JL21 wrote:
robbotis wrote:Hopefully, Missouri (and Kansas) go to the Big 10.

If not, let them restart the Big 8.

Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
Cincinatti
Louisville
TCU
I hate that you'd be replacing Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Colorado, and Nebraska with Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville, and TCU. And that it's a viable option.

(I'm not being critical of your idea; I'm just whining and frustrated that Mizzou could very well end up in some weird, horrible no man's land of college athletics)
Yeah, it is scary. It's interesting though. I think Missouri has to be a pretty good get for some conference. It's sports are pretty good, and it has STL and KC as TV markets. I think MU is too nice of a package to be left in no man's land.
Mizzou only has 50% of the KC market - and that's being generous.

KC is a KU town.

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lukethedrifter wrote:I guess KU's problem is Kansas. I mean, they have a nice university and an incredible basketball tradition yet nobody wants them.
Mediocre football and no TV markets (1/2 of KC, I guess; and Topeka or whatever). And this chaos is being driven by football. So even with the mega super amazing winning hoops tradition, it's rendered borderline moot.

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StL Dan wrote:
robbotis wrote:
JL21 wrote:
robbotis wrote:Hopefully, Missouri (and Kansas) go to the Big 10.

If not, let them restart the Big 8.

Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Baylor
Cincinatti
Louisville
TCU
I hate that you'd be replacing Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Colorado, and Nebraska with Baylor, Cincinnati, Louisville, and TCU. And that it's a viable option.

(I'm not being critical of your idea; I'm just whining and frustrated that Mizzou could very well end up in some weird, horrible no man's land of college athletics)
Yeah, it is scary. It's interesting though. I think Missouri has to be a pretty good get for some conference. It's sports are pretty good, and it has STL and KC as TV markets. I think MU is too nice of a package to be left in no man's land.
Mizzou only has 50% of the KC market - and that's being generous.

KC is a KU town.
Regardless, Missouri has over twice the population of Kansas with fewer D-1 schools splitting the pie.

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