Official 2010 NFL Draft Thread

[phins]

Claussen's stock really dropped after his last workout, I understand. Aopparently he threw a few intereceptions, and tried to blame it on the receivers......... which didn't make him any friends.

How would he throw interceptions in a workout? It was against air, and throwing to his own receivers with scouts watching. He never worked out before that because of his toe.

I'm pretty sure his last workout was like the 10th and he completed 57 of 59 or something, overthrowing two deep balls.

Exactly. That was his one and only workout, and it was against air, throwing to his own WR's.

There's no way he threw interceptions at any point since the season, so I'm not sure what Soc is talking about.

the interception stuff was on the QB camp with Gruden that was shown on SportsCenter. Gruden showed him a couple of picks from his time at ND to illustrate mistakes and Clausen pretty much threw his young receivers under the bus by claiming he threw it where he was supposed to but the receivers ran the wrong routes. Not many people liked that.

Well, that's not at all what he said.

The details of what I said were incorrect, but the point is still valid. I apologize for the confusion that I created by labeling it a "workout", which it obviously was not.

No worries...it's been clarified.

[lukethedrifter]

phins and Kiper not looking so good on Clausen.

I'll admit he went later than I expected, but I'm not sure how I look like anything at this point. My belief is he is a good player...that hasn't been proven correct, or incorrect at this point has it?

For some reason Clausen's fall is being used as irrefutable evidence that he's not good, as if Tom Brady wasn't passed over 6+ times by some teams.

I don't think that's happening. All I can comment on, like I did last year when Popeye Card wanted to draft Rey Mauaualeeeaaduaguaa in the first round, was that NFL teams didn't agree with phins and Kiper- and pc.

The NFL draft is clearly somewhat of a crapshoot.

[ndistops]

phins and Kiper not looking so good on Clausen.

I'll admit he went later than I expected, but I'm not sure how I look like anything at this point. My belief is he is a good player...that hasn't been proven correct, or incorrect at this point has it?

For some reason Clausen's fall is being used as irrefutable evidence that he's not good, as if Tom Brady wasn't passed over 6+ times by some teams.

I don't think that's happening. All I can comment on, like I did last year when Popeye Card wanted to draft Rey Mauaualeeeaaduaguaa in the first round, was that NFL teams didn't agree with phins and Kiper- and pc.

The NFL draft is clearly somewhat of a crapshoot.

I think the fact that Clausen fell to 48 is evidence against NFL teams being intelligent (when the biggest concern on a guy is 'character', and your league is full of guys committing felonies, and said guy has none, that's...weird), but since he landed on my team, idiot away, teams.

[Hungary Jack]

The NFL draft is clearly somewhat of a crapshoot.

I think this is a good point to end the thread.

[Socnorb11]

phins and Kiper not looking so good on Clausen.

I'll admit he went later than I expected, but I'm not sure how I look like anything at this point. My belief is he is a good player...that hasn't been proven correct, or incorrect at this point has it?

For some reason Clausen's fall is being used as irrefutable evidence that he's not good, as if Tom Brady wasn't passed over 6+ times by some teams.

I don't think that's happening. All I can comment on, like I did last year when Popeye Card wanted to draft Rey Mauaualeeeaaduaguaa in the first round, was that NFL teams didn't agree with phins and Kiper- and pc.

The NFL draft is clearly somewhat of a crapshoot.

I think the fact that Clausen fell to 48 is evidence against NFL teams being intelligent (when the biggest concern on a guy is 'character', and your league is full of guys committing felonies, and said guy has none, that's...weird), but since he landed on my team, idiot away, teams.

I don't think it's "just" a character thing with Claussen. I've heard that he's a finished product, without much upside (honestly, I don't even understand what that means), and therefore may not be an elite NLF quarterback (since he was never really at the top of the class in college).

But yeah, pretty much a crapshoot with most QB's.

[lukethedrifter]

Have I mentioned the time I was in jail in Texas with a certain future Pro Bowl/current starting Notre Dame QB? Good times.

[cardsfansince82]

I'm higher on Claussen than just about everyone. I'm at the point where I don't really give a [expletive] about the Rams anymore but if I did I would have loved Suh/Claussen over what they did. Think about it. He was able to put up very good/great numbers with not even close to the supporting cast the other top guys had. ND has had zero first round picks since he's been there. Can anyone name any of the running backs he's had, let alone claim they were any good? He played hurt his entire last year and still had one of the top offenses. If Notre Dame didn't have an awful defense he would have won a lot more games than he did and people would view him differently. Yes, he's a dbag. How many quarterbacks aren't? Not many. Phillip Rivers might be the biggest dbag alive and he seems to do alright. Production is what matters. I give Claussen as good or better odds of making it as an NFL QB as anyone else drafted this year.

[Hungary Jack]

I'm higher on Claussen than just about everyone. I'm at the point where I don't really give a [expletive] about the Rams anymore but if I did I would have loved Suh/Claussen over what they did. Think about it. He was able to put up very good/great numbers with not even close to the supporting cast the other top guys had. ND has had zero first round picks since he's been there. Can anyone name any of the running backs he's had, let alone claim they were any good? He played hurt his entire last year and still had one of the top offenses. If Notre Dame didn't have an awful defense he would have won a lot more games than he did and people would view him differently. Yes, he's a dbag. How many quarterbacks aren't? Not many. Phillip Rivers might be the biggest dbag alive and he seems to do alright. Production is what matters. I give Claussen as good or better odds of making it as an NFL QB as anyone else drafted this year.

I agree about this. He was pretty good running a pro-style offense with a [expletive] running game last year. He has got to grow up, and I am sure he will, but I think he has all the physical skills to be a good starter in this league.

[st.lewis11]

I'm not confident at all in Tebow being at least an average QB, but I'm still willing to wait and see. Awkward throwers in the past, such as Bill Kilmer & Bernie Kosar, were successful, and found ways to make plays. That said, I'm still shocked that the Broncos were willing to trade picks to draft him as a reach in the first round.

[StL Dan]

Have I mentioned the time I was in jail in Texas with a certain future Pro Bowl/current starting Notre Dame QB? Good times.

Details please.