He doesn't have the arm strength, accuracy, or throwing motion to be a legit NFL QB.
He won't be playing in the same offense.
I conceded he may or may not have success as a wildcat player, but he is not in the same league as far as speed and athleticism of the players currently excelling in the NFL as wildcat players.
And all the reasons already mentioned.
How did guys like Tommy Frazier and Eric Crouch do in the NFL?
About as well as Ryan Leaf and Jeff George, who had ALL of the tools.
Phil Rivers' throwing motion will never fly in the NFL, either. Oh wait........
Sam Bradford will be playing in a drastically different offense, as well.
For the record, he won't be a gimmick player (Wildcat, or whatever). They drafted him to play quarterback, and only quarterback.
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cpebbles wrote:Any NFL coach would love to have the chance to see whether he could turn Usain Bolt into an NFL player. That's a long way from being willing to spend a first round pick on him.
If the concerns about Tebow were all coming from Mel Kiper's head, I doubt he would have bunkered down for the last several months relearning how to throw a football. The concerns around the league are legitimate.
Of course they are. He's not ready to start an NFL game tomorrow, and I never said that he was. I don't think any of the concerns had anything to do with him not being athletic enough......... which is pretty much all I said.
He doesn't have the arm strength, accuracy, or throwing motion to be a legit NFL QB.
He won't be playing in the same offense.
I conceded he may or may not have success as a wildcat player, but he is not in the same league as far as speed and athleticism of the players currently excelling in the NFL as wildcat players.
And all the reasons already mentioned.
How did guys like Tommy Frazier and Eric Crouch do in the NFL?
About as well as Ryan Leaf and Jeff George, who had ALL of the tools.
Sam Bradford will be playing in a drastically different offense, as well.
Sam Bradford has better mechanics, arm strength, and accuracy than Tim Tebow. Who are we talking about here?
For the record, I'm not sold on Bradford being a good NFL QB, either, but I like his chances a lot more than I like Tebow's.
He doesn't have the arm strength, accuracy, or throwing motion to be a legit NFL QB.
He won't be playing in the same offense.
I conceded he may or may not have success as a wildcat player, but he is not in the same league as far as speed and athleticism of the players currently excelling in the NFL as wildcat players.
And all the reasons already mentioned.
How did guys like Tommy Frazier and Eric Crouch do in the NFL?
About as well as Ryan Leaf and Jeff George, who had ALL of the tools.
Sam Bradford will be playing in a drastically different offense, as well.
Sam Bradford has better mechanics, arm strength, and accuracy than Tim Tebow. Who are we talking about here?
For the record, I'm not sold on Bradford being a good NFL QB, either, but I like his chances a lot more than I like Tebow's.
He doesn't have the arm strength, accuracy, or throwing motion to be a legit NFL QB.
He won't be playing in the same offense.
I conceded he may or may not have success as a wildcat player, but he is not in the same league as far as speed and athleticism of the players currently excelling in the NFL as wildcat players.
And all the reasons already mentioned.
How did guys like Tommy Frazier and Eric Crouch do in the NFL?
About as well as Ryan Leaf and Jeff George, who had ALL of the tools.
Sam Bradford will be playing in a drastically different offense, as well.
Sam Bradford has better mechanics, arm strength, and accuracy than Tim Tebow. Who are we talking about here?
For the record, I'm not sold on Bradford being a good NFL QB, either, but I like his chances a lot more than I like Tebow's.
I haven't read EVERY scouting report, but the ones that I've read say that Tebow's arm strength isn't really an issue. And I agree that Bradford is a safer bet. That's why he was taken #1, right?
clevername wrote:I'm looking forward to see just how positive Tebow's effect is in the locker room. I'm willing to bet it won't be as rosy as the talking heads seem to think.
oh, and he won't be a quality NFL quarterback. Use him as a utility guy/wildcat and maybe he'll be useful, but I honestly don't think he's athletic enough to do that in the NFL, either.
He was athletic enough to be maybe the best player ever in maybe the toughest college conference in America, but he's not athletic enough to play against those same players at the next level?
Explain.
I haven't heard a single NFL coach or ex-coach say that they wouldn't want him on their team........ and I've heard many that have said that they would want him. But because Kiper says that he's not "the right mold", then everyone jumps on THAT bandwagon? Kiper also loved Ryan Leaf, and hated the Marshall Faulk pick.
Are you seriously comparing the SEC to the NFL? If you need an explanation as to why that comparison is ridiculous, well....have fun with Tebow is all I'll say.
No, I'm comparing him to other NFL players. The other NFL players came from college also, right?
Well, then when Denver plays Vanderbilt they should win pretty easily. They might struggle against the college all-stars though.
Obviously, no one knows for sure how he will do as pro, but I still think NFL scouts know more than we do, and it took a 34 year-old coach who wants to feed his ego and traded away his best talent to take him in the first round. Good luck to you and your Broncos.
clevername wrote:I'm looking forward to see just how positive Tebow's effect is in the locker room. I'm willing to bet it won't be as rosy as the talking heads seem to think.
oh, and he won't be a quality NFL quarterback. Use him as a utility guy/wildcat and maybe he'll be useful, but I honestly don't think he's athletic enough to do that in the NFL, either.
He was athletic enough to be maybe the best player ever in maybe the toughest college conference in America, but he's not athletic enough to play against those same players at the next level?
Explain.
I haven't heard a single NFL coach or ex-coach say that they wouldn't want him on their team........ and I've heard many that have said that they would want him. But because Kiper says that he's not "the right mold", then everyone jumps on THAT bandwagon? Kiper also loved Ryan Leaf, and hated the Marshall Faulk pick.
Are you seriously comparing the SEC to the NFL? If you need an explanation as to why that comparison is ridiculous, well....have fun with Tebow is all I'll say.
No, I'm comparing him to other NFL players. The other NFL players came from college also, right?
Well, then when Denver plays Vanderbilt they should win pretty easily. They might struggle against the college all-stars though.
Obviously, no one knows for sure how he will do as pro, but I still think NFL scouts know more than we do, and it took a 34 year-old coach who wants to feed his ego and traded away his best talent to take him in the first round. Good luck to you and your Broncos.
Of course, Tebow will be surrounded by college All-Stars on his team also, won't he?
Many NFL scouts like Tebow, and many don't. McDaniels traded up to get him because the Bills also apparently wanted him. So did the Vikings. It's not like Josh McDaniels is the only guy on the planet who thinks he can play.
And after the year that Cutler just had, I don't think that trade looks horrible.
