Civil Rights Up for Vote

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

I agree with the majority of what he said there. These riots and acts of violence are ridiculous. I disagree with prop 8, but to go out and start attacking those who disagree with you is wrong. Period.

I disagree with most of what Chuck says but think the violence- if true- is foolish, dangerous and damaging to the cause.

The majority of what he talked about was the violence.

[Popeye_Card]

I agree with the majority of what he said there. These riots and acts of violence are ridiculous. I disagree with prop 8, but to go out and start attacking those who disagree with you is wrong. Period.

I disagree with most of what Chuck says but think the violence- if true- is foolish, dangerous and damaging to the cause.

The majority of what he talked about was the violence.

Most of the second page was about "you lost--deal with it." I can't agree with that. If you had held a popular vote 100 years ago in the south, blacks would go back to being slaves. I go back to the saying, "what is popular isn't always what is right".

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

I agree with the majority of what he said there. These riots and acts of violence are ridiculous. I disagree with prop 8, but to go out and start attacking those who disagree with you is wrong. Period.

I disagree with most of what Chuck says but think the violence- if true- is foolish, dangerous and damaging to the cause.

The majority of what he talked about was the violence.

Most of the second page was about "you lost--deal with it." I can't agree with that. If you had held a popular vote 100 years ago in the south, blacks would go back to being slaves. I go back to the saying, "what is popular isn't always what is right".

Well, they did lose, so they need to deal with it in a way that doesn't involve harming people that voted the other way. Protests and all that is great. But, don't spit on or harm those that don't agree with you. come on.

[JCShutout]

I agree with the majority of what he said there. These riots and acts of violence are ridiculous. I disagree with prop 8, but to go out and start attacking those who disagree with you is wrong. Period.

I disagree with most of what Chuck says but think the violence- if true- is foolish, dangerous and damaging to the cause.

The majority of what he talked about was the violence.

Most of the second page was about "you lost--deal with it." I can't agree with that. If you had held a popular vote 100 years ago in the south, blacks would go back to being slaves. I go back to the saying, "what is popular isn't always what is right".

Exactly. Norris also criticized those who would choose to blacklist donors... well, people should blacklist companies and churches that spend against their values. not in a violent way, but he's trying to link some legitimate avenues of dissent with the violence that occurred. if a company does something you don't support, you protest their policies and don't shop there. That's about as American as you can get bubba.

He then tries to claim that those who opposse prop 8 should admit they lost, like republicans who didn't like obama. These are not the same situations. One is blatantly denying a segment of the population the rights of others, something supposidly protected by the constitution, the other is a losing president. So if the country voted to take away all land from landowners, people shoulden't protest because "they lost, deal with it?" Absolutely they should protest. Private property is another protected right (except for emminent domain which should be protested more).

He then basically tries to claim that the majority of protestors were violent when only a small minority were, and then tries to paint prop 8 supports in a positive and holy light. (have we forgotten about the stats of hate crimes against gays? Not trying to argue that two wrongs make a right, but he's trying to connect prop 8 opponents with violence and make prop 8 supporters into holy pius, nonviolent people. it would be like trying to link anyone who supported McCain with the violent minority against obama. McCain should reject those, and I reject the violence used by those who used it in the protests, but the vast majority of republicans and prop 8 opponents are not the violent type he's describing here).

I normally don't agree with Chuck, but I do agree that violence is uncalled for. That said, most of his commentary is about 14x more biased to the right than conservatives think the "liberal media" is biased against them.

[Popeye_Card]

Well, they did lose, so they need to deal with it in a way that doesn't involve harming people that voted the other way. Protests and all that is great. But, don't spit on or harm those that don't agree with you. come on.

I agree. But it's not like they're going to log on and read Chuck Norris' thoughts on the matter. He's just preaching to his little choir giving them more reasons to hate gays.

[haltz]

I would like to meet the yellow and red people he refers to. Also hate-crime cops. I didn't know that existed.

[Popeye_Card]

I would like to meet the yellow and red people he refers to. Also hate-crime cops. I didn't know that existed.

Hate Crime Cops sounds like an awesome action movie. Starring Chuck Norris, of course.

[haltz]

Can I also just say that I'm sick of opponents of [whatever] getting all outraged when a small minority takes something to far, like that has anything to do with the big picture. Oh we shouldn't firebomb companies that pollute, harass old people that don't think gay people should get married, or kill abortion doctors? Incredible insight. Next.

[Radbird]

Calif. court takes up gay marriage ban

SAN FRANCISCO - California's highest court agreed Wednesday to hear several legal challenges to the state's new ban on same-sex marriage but refused to allow gay couples to resume marrying before it rules.

The California Supreme Court accepted three lawsuits seeking to nullify Proposition 8, a voter-approved constitutional amendment that overruled the court's decision in May that legalized gay marriage.

All three cases claim the measure abridges the civil rights of a vulnerable minority group. They argue that voters alone did not have the authority to enact such a significant constitutional change.

[clement]

If Democracy Doesn't Work, Try Anarchy
by Chuck Norris

http://townhall.com/columnists/ChuckNor ... chy?page=1

I agree with the majority of what he said there. These riots and acts of violence are ridiculous. I disagree with prop 8, but to go out and start attacking those who disagree with you is wrong. Period.

About the violent attacks, sure, I agree. But the rest of the article is baloney. And while I don't condone any attacks on churches, I do think that it's about time these churches that are so vocally in opposition to rights being extended to people other than themselves be held accountable and challenged on it. At the very least, I think we should start thinking about stripping these political organizations of their tax-exemptions. Not only are they involved politically, but they raise huge amounts of money for a whole bunch of activities that have nothing to do with charity.

Put it this way... gay people are constantly being attacked, both in words and in violence. I didn't see Chuck making a big deal when a lesbian woman who was campaigning against Prop 8 was beaten and kicked by 3 pro-Prop 8 men on a street corner during the campaign. Gay people are under attack every day. And this proposition was an attack on gay people. It singled out one group to strip away a right that has no impact on those who voted for it.

The violent reaction is not condonable but it's certainly understandable. The bigots who campaign so heavily in favor of propositions like this one are able to hide behind their religions, but it's about time that the fight be taken to them directly. That doesn't mean violence, but it does mean challenging them directly and exposing their bigotry and political activity for exactly what it is.

And to write an article like this that sort of paints a picture of the entire anti-Prop 8 crowd as a bunch of violent anarchists knocking over churchgoers and sending "white powder" to churches would be like me writing an article about McCain supporters that criticizes the whole lot of Republican voters citing examples like the crazy woman who carved a B in her head or the white supremacists who were plotting to kill Obama.

It's absolutely silly for Norris to suggest, however, that gay people should just accept the defeat and move on. The comparison to the presidential election is weak. And anyway, I'm sure Republicans will be on the attack on January 21st, and will be planning and plotting their comeback in the next cycle of elections. Protest is a part of American history, especially as it relates to oppressed people seeking their civil rights. So no, the Prop 8 opponents won't just lie down and accept defeat.

But I'm glad the divorced adulterer and father of an illegitimate daughter who he didn't even meet until she was 26 years old is held up by the religious right as a voice for traditional marriage.