Civil Rights Up for Vote

[Radbird]

LOL sigh

[jim]

I was listening to NPR last night, and they had some preacher who was an advocate of prop 8 and he said as clear as can be said that it was his religion and bible that formed the basis of his stance, and really of the ammendment. And then I say to myself, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

I reflect on that statement, and then think to myself , "What the f---?".

[Freed Roger]

I was listening to NPR last night, and they had some preacher who was an advocate of prop 8 and he said as clear as can be said that it was his religion and bible that formed the basis of his stance, and really of the ammendment. And then I say to myself, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

I reflect on that statement, and then think to myself , "What the f---?".

When religions attempt to force their beliefs via governance. Isn't it just an indication that their religion has failed?

[Radbird]

They should just eliminate the term "marriage" from civil law, since it is a religious rite. Call everything a civil union and don't discriminate.

If people want to get married, let them find a church that fits their definition of what marriage is.

This solution should make everybody happy and eliminate all the needless bickering over a term.

[Cronos]

They should just eliminate the term "marriage" from civil law, since it is a religious rite. Call everything a civil union and don't discriminate.

If people want to get married, let them find a church that fits their definition of what marriage is.

This solution should make everybody happy and eliminate all the needless bickering over a term.

I'd be fine with that. I think it is much ado about little when it's just a term.

[jim]

They should just eliminate the term "marriage" from civil law, since it is a religious rite. Call everything a civil union and don't discriminate.

If people want to get married, let them find a church that fits their definition of what marriage is.

This solution should make everybody happy and eliminate all the needless bickering over a term.

I'd be fine with that. I think it is much ado about little when it's just a term.

I agree as well, but the bickering is not over a term. It's over one groups desire to legislate morality, or more accurately morality as they define it.

Didn't mean to knock holes in your argument rad, it's perfectly reasonable and I think it makes all the sense in the world. I just don't think this is the issue however.

[JCShutout]

I was listening to NPR last night, and they had some preacher who was an advocate of prop 8 and he said as clear as can be said that it was his religion and bible that formed the basis of his stance, and really of the ammendment. And then I say to myself, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

I reflect on that statement, and then think to myself , "What the f---?".

Which is ironic, because it is my religion and the bible which forms my stance which is open and affirming of GLBT. Sodom and Gomorrah was about hospitality rights, not homosexuality. Leviticus is anti-homosexual, but you don't see Christians running around with specifically trimmed beards, keeping handicapped people from serving as pastors and keeping women out of worship services when they're on their period (among other things which are said with the same authority as the anti-homosexual statements).

[Radbird]

They should just eliminate the term "marriage" from civil law, since it is a religious rite. Call everything a civil union and don't discriminate.

If people want to get married, let them find a church that fits their definition of what marriage is.

This solution should make everybody happy and eliminate all the needless bickering over a term.

I'd be fine with that. I think it is much ado about little when it's just a term.

I agree as well, but the bickering is not over a term. It's over one groups desire to legislate morality, or more accurately morality as they define it.

Didn't mean to knock holes in your argument rad, it's perfectly reasonable and I think it makes all the sense in the world. I just don't think this is the issue however.

Oh, I know it's a strawman, but if you take away the religious argument, it'd be interesting to see on what grounds there would continue to be objections.

[Jocephus]

i haven't read through this whole thread, so i apologize if this was brought up, but did anyoen/everyone hear/read about how the mormons (from utah) gave like 25 million to help this amendment pass

the people who believe in magic underwear have a problem with the same sex marrying...

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

i haven't read through this whole thread, so i apologize if this was brought up, but did anyoen/everyone hear/read about how the mormons (from utah) gave like 25 million to help this amendment pass

the people who believe in magic underwear have a problem with the same sex marrying...

Some mormons are bat guano crazy. No offense to anyone here. But, my friend who is a girl is marrying one. Independent as hell all through her life, never wanted to be a housewife and she meets this guy and is completely changed and just wants to be a housewife. Yeah, and she even said it was her purpose to have as many kids as she can so they can spread throughout the land, marry, and convert as many people as possible to Mormonism (and she doesn't see that that is what is being done to her). Bat. Guano. Crazy.