BW23 wrote:Or anyone gullible/stupid enough to believe he'll do what he says economically, especially since what he says he'll do and what he's done (voting-wise, since he's really never accomplished anything) are two different things. Sure.
I am gullible and stupid though. It takes some level of gullibility to believe there's an afterlife.
That he recognizes the harm the Bush tax cuts have done gives me enough reason to believe that he'll work to end them. FWIW, I think more than the top two percent will see their taxes go up. It would take someone INCREDIBLY gullible/stupid to think that we can begin paying back the enormous debt of our fiscally responsible conservative brethren by not finding more revenue.
Gary, IN people are waiting 8+ hours to vote in the early voting. Reports are few if ANY are leaving the lines. They sing, they do whatever they can to pass the time - but they vote.
BenNX74205 wrote:
If it's stupid for McCain to spend there when it's hopelessly lost, isn't it even stupider for Obama to spend there when it's already won?
Well Obama has quite a bit more money to spend than McCain. And it's smart to run ads, etc. in states even where you have a comfortable lead to ensure that your support there doesn't get complacent. I'm sure McCain is still running ads in Texas, etc. too.
I think Obama is running ads where polls are a point or two within the margin of error. I had heard a week or so ago that Kerry was criticized for leaving money on the table in 2004 - not doing more to campaign and get out the vote. Obama's organizers don't want to risk leaving anything up to "what if?" I think that's also part of the reason behind the infomercial.
I have done a quick search and can't find any indication that Obama has increased spending in Maine. In fact, the RNC pulled out of Maine two weeks ago, so I find that hard to believe. It seems that once the RNC conceeded, they'd each reallocate their funds to the "battlegrounds". (Like they did in MI.) Do you have a link?
I think that's a big driver in this election--learning from the mistakes of the Kerry loss. I received a mailer last week from the Obama campaign not really celebrating him, but rather reminding voters what they need to bring to the polling place, and where their polling location is. Not sure what the distribution was on this mailer--keep in mind that I live in an urban zip code that's probably 80% African-American--they probably don't want to have the same Election Day confusion they saw in urban areas (especially in Ohio) in 2004.
BW23 wrote:Obama will likely get more votes because he's black than he'll lose because he's black.
He should lose because of how extremely left he is and how suspect, at best, his judgment is, but he talks a good game (without saying anything) that all of that is mostly glossed over.
Sure, he says something. He says he'll end the Bush tax cuts. That alone should get the vote of anyone who understands economics.
Or anyone gullible/stupid enough to believe he'll do what he says economically, especially since what he says he'll do and what he's done (voting-wise, since he's really never accomplished anything) are two different things. Sure.
BW23 wrote:Obama will likely get more votes because he's black than he'll lose because he's black.
He should lose because of how extremely left he is and how suspect, at best, his judgment is, but he talks a good game (without saying anything) that all of that is mostly glossed over.
Sure, he says something. He says he'll end the Bush tax cuts. That alone should get the vote of anyone who understands economics.
jim wrote:
I still have a hard time getting my brain around the fact that this race is even this close.
McPalin's campaign seems to have done everything wrong, compared to Obama's being efficient, well-financed and cool-headed. McCain seems out of touch, and has severely compromised the values that I admired in him in the first place. McPalin's campaign is based on fear-mongering and capitalizing on ignorance. Obama's based on generalities -yes. But positive messages that appeal to peoples' better side and the logical conclusion that what we've had the last 8 years doesn't work and is not sustainable.
Yes it appears close. I have more than a suspicion as to why its close at all. There is a preconceived notion in this country that wealthy older white males are the only ones suitable for being the president. There is 230+ years of history to back this up. OK maybe a few were not wealthy, but other than that...
No, I'm not saying this is the only reason this election is this close, nor is it the only reason people are voting for McCain. But its the main reason.
Should McCain happen to win this election, the message sent will be clear. Oh I believe a woman or minority can still become president within a decade or so, but it will have to be someone with an ideology that panders to the extreme right - such as Palin or like an Alan Keyes.
I'm sorry but that's a complete and utter cop out..
If Obama loses the only message that will be sent is that people didn't buy what he was selling...sure there will be people that don't vote for Obama because he's black, and there will be people who don't vote for McCain because he's white, or old, or because he's got a woman running mate..
But neither one of those factors is going to significantly affect this race, and its attitudes like that that continue to set the country back..
Let's not start the excuse train before it's over, Obama is going to win, but if the hail mary is complete and McCain does win, like I said, it's NOT going to be because Obama is black...sorry....not true
Obama will likely get more votes because he's black than he'll lose because he's black.
He should lose because of how extremely left he is and how suspect, at best, his judgment is, but he talks a good game (without saying anything) that all of that is mostly glossed over.
Not to mention his having only 3 years of national-level experience. (and spending 2 of those years campaining)
But hey, Obama inexperience = good Palin inexperience = bad. Go figure.
Running a presidential campaign is by far the most challenging exective experience either of these candidates will have ever gone through. Obama's campaign is a well oiled machine, McCain's can't even get Joe the Plumber to show up and lets calls from Montreal talk shows fool Palin for over 5 minutes thinking she is talking to Sarkozy. Change of strategy, finger pointing, unable to even come close to keeping up in fund raising, etc...
ROFTLMAO now presidential ability is determined by their ability to run a campaign? Well, I guess that's really all you'd have to judge Obama on so I see why that would be the rationale.
I refuse to stand in the regular lines at my local starbucks. I don't get starbuck's appeal. i can't imagine waiting in a realllly long line. or dealing with parking. over a cup of coffee.
