Jefferson was from Virginia - which is leaning Obama now. Not "Real America".Michael wrote:--Thomas JeffersonAll tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
So there you go, that explains that.
Jefferson was from Virginia - which is leaning Obama now. Not "Real America".Michael wrote:--Thomas JeffersonAll tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
heyzeus wrote:Fun solution: when Obama is president and you hear someone ranting about him and democratic congress, ask that person why they hate america so much.Jocephus wrote: i also hate the fact that if you \question or criticize america you are seen as unpatriotic, etc....maybe some people want to see the country do better than it is
It's easy to support the bombing of poor, brown-skinned people on the other side of the world. The US has done it many times. It's even easier when you are a relatively uninformed, easily scared, jingoistic person.GatewaySnayke wrote: What I'll never understand is health care versus the Iraq War. How some people can be comfortable that their money has gone into a senseless war when for a fraction of that every single American could be provided with basic coverage I'll never understand.
Foreign wars are a lot sexier and more fun than mundane issues such as public health. Just ask Charlie Wilson.G. Keenan wrote:It's easy to support the bombing of poor, brown-skinned people on the other side of the world. The US has done it many times. It's even easier when you are a relatively uninformed, easily scared, jingoistic person.GatewaySnayke wrote: What I'll never understand is health care versus the Iraq War. How some people can be comfortable that their money has gone into a senseless war when for a fraction of that every single American could be provided with basic coverage I'll never understand.
I'm reminded of a quote by a kid my freshman year in college. One of the few conservatives on campus, he said, "I'll be honest with you guys, war excites me!"Hungary Jack wrote:Foreign wars are a lot sexier and more fun than mundane issues such as public health. Just ask Charlie Wilson.G. Keenan wrote:It's easy to support the bombing of poor, brown-skinned people on the other side of the world. The US has done it many times. It's even easier when you are a relatively uninformed, easily scared, jingoistic person.GatewaySnayke wrote: What I'll never understand is health care versus the Iraq War. How some people can be comfortable that their money has gone into a senseless war when for a fraction of that every single American could be provided with basic coverage I'll never understand.
I would argue that there is no such thing as a real America. This is a nation of immigrants from all over the world who have been organized into a coherent political entity for a relatively short period of time. The reason all of these disparate peoples can get along with each other is that they all subscribe to the same ideology, this American Dream and its corollary of number-oneness. We are all living out the same collective fantasy that, in massively conspicuous ways, bares no resemblance to the economic and social realities of this country. America exists in people's imaginations and it is this mental territory that is bitterly fought over. There are huge swaths of our population that have fundamentally different ideas about the nature of our civil society. What keeps these two radically different forces together are two sacred beliefs, the virtues of capitalism and militarism. Beyond those America is a nation of ridiculous contradictions. What is "real" and what isn't just depends on an individual's particular fantasy -- a perpetual daydream that makes ideology feel like brick and mortar.Hungary Jack wrote:Those who would argue that there is such a thing as a "real" American in distinctive, if not exclusionary, socioeconomic and cultural terms contradict themselves because America's most distinguishing characteristic is its ability to afford room for all wavelengths of the socioeconomic and cultural spectrum.
Very. Well. Put.G. Keenan wrote:I would argue that there is no such thing as a real America. This is a nation of immigrants from all over the world who have been organized into a coherent political entity for a relatively short period of time. The reason all of these disparate peoples can get along with each other is that they all subscribe to the same ideology, this American Dream and its corollary of number-oneness. We are all living out the same collective fantasy that, in massively conspicuous ways, bares no resemblance to the economic and social realities of this country. America exists in people's imaginations and it is this mental territory that is bitterly fought over. There are huge swaths of our population that have fundamentally different ideas about the nature of our civil society. What keeps these two radically different forces together are two sacred beliefs, the virtues of capitalism and militarism. Beyond those America is a nation of ridiculous contradictions. What is "real" and what isn't just depends on an individual's particular fantasy -- a perpetual daydream that makes ideology feel like brick and mortar.Hungary Jack wrote:Those who would argue that there is such a thing as a "real" American in distinctive, if not exclusionary, socioeconomic and cultural terms contradict themselves because America's most distinguishing characteristic is its ability to afford room for all wavelengths of the socioeconomic and cultural spectrum.