And that's a legitimate conclusion. I'm just trying to offer a rationale for this particular portion of his history being highlighted. I'm by no means a 100 percent Mccain supporter, and I do hope that people look for facts behind soundbites. Then when we have reached our conclusions, we may not agree, but we can at least respect that some reasoning went into our decisions.clement wrote:Absolutely. But he also was right behind Bush in the run-up to the war in Iraq. That's the part that matters to me. I'm sure everyone in Iraq today has an understanding of the horror of war. It doesn't mean that they would have good judgment in making decisions about whether or not to lead us into another one.07come11 wrote:Whether you agree with Mccain's position on the war or not doesn't matter. The POW thing is mentioned because it shaped him and because it puts him in the light of having formed his decision while being sympathetic to the tragedies of war. This isn't some favored son who's never faced horror and atrocity. Whether you agree with him or not, you do have to acknowledge that he has an understanding of the horror of war. That's why it is constantly highlighted.
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I thought your Brian Barton/Rick Ankiel comment worked better.planet pujolsian wrote:Shameless bump, but no one has a comment about this POW leverage rationale?planet pujolsian wrote:I think the reason the countless reincarnations of the POW story doesn't sit well is because many Americans are tired of the Iraq war and what's perceived as a hawkish, militaristic approach to foreign policy. To many, it represents more of the same and it also underlines an out of touch approach to real domestic issues Americans are facing daily. There is no doubt that people respect his sacrifice for our country, it's just that pertinent domestic issues have been neglected while fighting what some would consider an unjust war.
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07come11 wrote:By all means, let not use something that is one of our strengths. The fact remains that it puts him in the light of understanding the consequences of his decision. That is legitimate whether you agree with his conclusion or not.Socnorb11 wrote:Obama growing up as a black man in America probably had a great deal to do with shaping him. He's certainly not playing that card....... not once. Why? Because he doesn't stand to gain politically from it. McCain stands to gain political leverege from being a POW.07come11 wrote:Whether you agree with Mccain's position on the war or not doesn't matter. The POW thing is mentioned because it shaped him and because it puts him in the light of having formed his decision while being sympathetic to the tragedies of war. This isn't some favored son who's never faced horror and atrocity. Whether you agree with him or not, you do have to acknowledge that he has an understanding of the horror of war. That's why it is constantly highlighted.
Oh, I don't blame him for using it. I just don't think you can base an entire platform on it, and that's basically what he's doing. At some point it becomes propoganda, and that's a shame for him.
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Yup. Some posters can't control themselves.greenback44 wrote: This thread is nearing a lockdown
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Fair enough.07come11 wrote:And that's a legitimate conclusion. I'm just trying to offer a rationale for this particular portion of his history being highlighted. I'm by no means a 100 percent Mccain supporter, and I do hope that people look for facts behind soundbites. Then when we have reached our conclusions, we may not agree, but we can at least respect that some reasoning went into our decisions.clement wrote:Absolutely. But he also was right behind Bush in the run-up to the war in Iraq. That's the part that matters to me. I'm sure everyone in Iraq today has an understanding of the horror of war. It doesn't mean that they would have good judgment in making decisions about whether or not to lead us into another one.07come11 wrote:Whether you agree with Mccain's position on the war or not doesn't matter. The POW thing is mentioned because it shaped him and because it puts him in the light of having formed his decision while being sympathetic to the tragedies of war. This isn't some favored son who's never faced horror and atrocity. Whether you agree with him or not, you do have to acknowledge that he has an understanding of the horror of war. That's why it is constantly highlighted.
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I responded but it didn't make it to the next page.planet pujolsian wrote:Shameless bump, but no one has a comment about this POW leverage rationale?planet pujolsian wrote:I think the reason the countless reincarnations of the POW story doesn't sit well is because many Americans are tired of the Iraq war and what's perceived as a hawkish, militaristic approach to foreign policy. To many, it represents more of the same and it also underlines an out of touch approach to real domestic issues Americans are facing daily. There is no doubt that people respect his sacrifice for our country, it's just that pertinent domestic issues have been neglected while fighting what some would consider an unjust war.
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Michael wrote:Yup. Some posters can't control themselves.greenback44 wrote: This thread is nearing a lockdown
I've been quite thoughtful. And charming.
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You, but only because I'm safe behind my computer screen where I don't have to face the consequences.GatewaySnayke wrote:Are you mocking me or McCain?07come11 wrote:I'm opposed to the eye roll icon, but this is where I would use it.GatewaySnayke wrote:Does John McCain actually know when the Russian Empire was? And does he know that it hasn't existed for close to 100 years?
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You really cannot compare these two things to each other.Socnorb11 wrote:Obama growing up as a black man in America probably had a great deal to do with shaping him. He's certainly not playing that card....... not once. Why? Because he doesn't stand to gain politically from it. McCain stands to gain political leverege from being a POW.07come11 wrote:Whether you agree with Mccain's position on the war or not doesn't matter. The POW thing is mentioned because it shaped him and because it puts him in the light of having formed his decision while being sympathetic to the tragedies of war. This isn't some favored son who's never faced horror and atrocity. Whether you agree with him or not, you do have to acknowledge that he has an understanding of the horror of war. That's why it is constantly highlighted.
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Has anyone checked on McCain's mom lately?
All this excitement..
All this excitement..



