Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[ghostrunner]

But you buy what McCain is preaching? That he respects Obama, but it's OK if his colleagues mock him for two days straight?

I think some of what was said about Obama is fair game. Obama indulges in some of the celebrity stuff, in my opinion. His comments about people clinging to guns were stupid. It's reasonable to call him out on those things. The comments about community organizing were not reasonable.

[sighyoung]

Talk is cheap, Mr. McAncient.

Talk is the reason Obama is where he is. He talks well. That's it. That's what he has to hang his hat on. That's why people like him.

Well, I'd hope he and you know...every single politician ever talk well.

What is this supposed to even mean?

That that's his single most endearing quality?

Which, is true

Umm, OK.

When was the last time we had a president whose speech wasn't their most "endearing quality"?

Have you EVER heard George W. Bush speak?

George W. Bush won...twice

That's my point..

He won, and speech was NOWHERE near his most endearing quality

Yes, it was.

[Jocephus]

if i was there, id be afraid of gettin' stung

[Socnorb11]

I think it's pretty clear. You can talk well without saying a word. Go back to last Thursday if you need a reference. It's certainly how he says it...not what he says.

For you. Not for me. I couldn't care less how great an orator he or any other politician is, I care about his positions on issues. Of course I want the president to be able to pronounce the words he is saying and be able to speak intelligently on issues without relying on cue cards, but aside from that relatively low hurdle, it's what they say that counts, not how.

Well, when he finally does say what he'll do, if he ever does, then you're right. I won't like it. Probably not a word.

Obamamania is running wild because of what a great orator he is not because of his positions.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

[BW23]

Talk is cheap, Mr. McAncient.

Talk is the reason Obama is where he is. He talks well. That's it. That's what he has to hang his hat on. That's why people like him.

He'd make a great preacher or motivational speaker. At least he has a future.

So you've bought into the Republican notion that Obama's 16 years of service are meaningless?

Motivation is a good thing, especially when you believe in what you're preaching.

I haven't bought into anyone's notion. I guess being a state senator is nice and all. And most of his work as a U.S. Senator is running for president. When you speak well, sometimes you get places. Obviously.

16 years of "service". I guess you've bought into the liberal media.

I'm glad he believes in what he's preaching. I'd rather someone believe in what they say, even when they're wrong, than to lie. I'm just not buying what he's preaching.

Not a word.

But you buy what McCain is preaching? That he respects Obama, but it's OK if his colleagues mock him for two days straight?

So by using your logic, if my co-workers hate my boss, but I like my boss, I'm a hypocrite?

It's a dumbed down example, but an example nonetheless..just because his colleagues are mocking Obama doesn't mean a damn thing in what John McCain does or does not say about the man

Get off it already

If I respect someone, than I don't knowingly let my colleagues mock him. I'm not sure how you run your company. I guess in third grade your philosophy is pretty solid. But as a grown-up who is running for office, you'd better be prepared to back up what you say.

This thread doesn't lack for comedy.

[stlouie_lipp]

Talk is cheap, Mr. McAncient.

Talk is the reason Obama is where he is. He talks well. That's it. That's what he has to hang his hat on. That's why people like him.

He'd make a great preacher or motivational speaker. At least he has a future.

And McCain's reason for where he is is...?

He's a POW. Maybe you haven't heard.

Well let's put it this way folks, and I know this is (thankfully) not how it works..

If you had McCain, the POW, and Obama, the community organizer, and that's all you knew about them...which would you vote for?

Point being, I'd rather McCain have POW on his resume then what Obama has on his

This question couldn't be more pointless.

No, the point is clearly that while democrats may be hating on the POW crap, it's a huge part of his life..

Did you see the Democratic convention? Every single speaker talked about their admiration for his service to his country.

didn't you just say that talk is cheap?

It's cheap if your actions represent the opposite of what you say.

Of course, Obama's talk is the gospel. I forgot.

[planet planet]

I think the reason the countless reincarnations of the POW story doesn't sit well is because many Americans are tired of the Iraq war and what's perceived as a hawkish, militaristic approach to foreign policy. To many, it represents more of the same and it also underlines an out of touch approach to real domestic issues Americans are facing daily. There is no doubt that people respect his sacrifice for our country, it's just that pertinent domestic issues have been neglected while fighting what some would consider an unjust war.

[Cronos]

Although I love the passion for our country... let's settle down, folks.

What, the whole thread hasn't been this way?

If not, I'm impressed.

[clevername]

I think it's pretty clear. You can talk well without saying a word. Go back to last Thursday if you need a reference. It's certainly how he says it...not what he says.

For you. Not for me. I couldn't care less how great an orator he or any other politician is, I care about his positions on issues. Of course I want the president to be able to pronounce the words he is saying and be able to speak intelligently on issues without relying on cue cards, but aside from that relatively low hurdle, it's what they say that counts, not how.

Well, when he finally does say what he'll do, if he ever does, then you're right. I won't like it. Probably not a word.

Obamamania is running wild because of what a great orator he is not because of his positions.

do you realize how condescending and dismissive that is?

[JG1982]

Talk is cheap, Mr. McAncient.

Talk is the reason Obama is where he is. He talks well. That's it. That's what he has to hang his hat on. That's why people like him.

He'd make a great preacher or motivational speaker. At least he has a future.

So you've bought into the Republican notion that Obama's 16 years of service are meaningless?

Motivation is a good thing, especially when you believe in what you're preaching.

I haven't bought into anyone's notion. I guess being a state senator is nice and all. And most of his work as a U.S. Senator is running for president. When you speak well, sometimes you get places. Obviously.

16 years of "service". I guess you've bought into the liberal media.

I'm glad he believes in what he's preaching. I'd rather someone believe in what they say, even when they're wrong, than to lie. I'm just not buying what he's preaching.

Not a word.

But you buy what McCain is preaching? That he respects Obama, but it's OK if his colleagues mock him for two days straight?

So by using your logic, if my co-workers hate my boss, but I like my boss, I'm a hypocrite?

It's a dumbed down example, but an example nonetheless..just because his colleagues are mocking Obama doesn't mean a damn thing in what John McCain does or does not say about the man

Get off it already

If I respect someone, than I don't knowingly let my colleagues mock him. I'm not sure how you run your company. I guess in third grade your philosophy is pretty solid. But as a grown-up who is running for office, you'd better be prepared to back up what you say.

classy again...please tell me how to live Mr. grown-up

I think your full of you know what if you don't knowingly let your colleagues mock them..

What are you, the insult police? You're telling me that if you liked your boss and the other 26 people in your organization hated his guts you'd stick up for him to EVERY ONE of those other people?

Again, I think your full of it