co-irker

[sighyoung]

Is she hot?

She can irk you off.

[BenNX74205]

Is she hot?

She can irk you off.

Yep. One of the irks of the job.

[BenNX74205]

Is she hot?

She can irk you off.

Yep. One of the irks of the job.

No smile for that one? Not even a little irk?

[arnie.k]

This is why marketing people don't like working with people who have to solve real problems and do real work. You've seen through the smoke and mirrors.

nice generalization.

I don't know what types of marketing people you've dealt with but here are a few things that marketing people do that are "real work":

They compile data based on customer preferences (survey info, web site tracking, etc)
They conduct direct mail campaigns (determine target market, obtain mailing lists, create mailer, coordinate postage)
They create marketing peices (using graphic design, come up with logos, slogans etc)

If you've never done any of these things, you might want to know - it is real work.

Actually I've done so many "marketing" duties at my job it causes me to wonder what the marketers actually do other than golf and go get drinks with clients

I create their graphics and logos (when it isn't hired out), I deliver their proposals (which are created by a freelance graphic designer and copywriter), I build and design their web sites, I schlep their crap to conventions and meetings because it's very important that they never carry anything themselves; too busy getting drinks.

All this and I also am the lead it support tech for an office of 60+ users.

So yes, it was a gross generalization out of bitterness to my incredibly limited sample size of experience. I apologize to those compentant and hard working marketers out there. All I know is that I took a marketing class in college. I also took a public relations class in college. I had the top grades in both and won all three marketing contests that our professor coordinated, so much of this is bitterness is borne out of a sense that I could do their job better than them, and much of the time, do.

But that's probably my fault for not getting a degree in marketing. Maybe I'll go ahead and do that.

it sounds like you work for a [expletive] company to tell the truth.

all the symptoms are there... mediocre sales/marketing ideas, lazy bums getting nice positions, single individuals who are anyway overworked shouldering stuff they shouldn't...

i hope this isn't the case, and you're just venting about the one guy who should be fired, but if it's symptomatic then you should probably move on

[JCShutout]

Is she hot?

Actually, cute. A cute 40 year old.

[sighyoung]

Is she hot?

Actually, cute. A cute 40 year old.

So, is this the formerly potentially datable co-worker, who now is a co-irker?

[Leroy]

From Do-Able to Strangle-Able.

I envy those days JCS.

[thrill]

it sounds like you work for a [expletive] company to tell the truth.

all the symptoms are there... mediocre sales/marketing ideas, lazy bums getting nice positions, single individuals who are anyway overworked shouldering stuff they shouldn't...

i hope this isn't the case, and you're just venting about the one guy who should be fired, but if it's symptomatic then you should probably move on

It's limited to marketing. Everything outside of that is great.

I've noticed, in my limited experience on this site, that when the weather is rainy people get a little testy with each other here and in the real world.

Not to kill your theory, but I live in Phoenix.

So the key is getting a degree in marketing so that you don't have to do any work?

I've done all the things you mentioned (plus a million more) and held the title "marketing director" or "marketing manager" etc for a long time.

It sounds like you are dealing with "sales" people or "business development" people...not people who actually do the work of marketing.

No the key would be to get the degree so I'd be the only who works and eventually someone would notice how worthless they are and how great I am.

Or something.

Business development is probably a more accurate title for them, though they call themselves marketing. A most accurate title would be "Sheister alcoholics who play lots of golf and suck up to the CEO."

[docellis]

That is weird to me. Most of the time actual marketing people are on the edge of burnout and don't stay in the field forever because it is too stressful.

[JCShutout]

Is she hot?

Actually, cute. A cute 40 year old.

So, is this the formerly potentially datable co-worker, who now is a co-irker?

He he, yeah.

So an update, I went off and worked on other stuff and let her do her thing. She developed the start to a pretty good start...

A quick backstory, my boss and I have wanted to work on upgrading the marketing materials for awhile, and it wasn't until this temp cornered the CEO (very small company) and convinced him to let us get back to work on it. She did this Wednesday. She's known for a week that her last day was today. We already hired someone to start Monday.

So she works on this and is taking things from her portfolio (I just found out) and incorporating them into our presentation, which is fine. She sent more stuff from her portfolio (to my boss today, and my boss asked me to look at "the stuff temp sent" since I'll be doing most of the marketing after the temp leaves. The temp suddenly takes it off my desk and says, "I don't feel comfortable and I feel like I'm being taken advantage of."

Wait a second. First off, I didn't know it was your portfolio. I wasn't paying attention to what you were working on. I was working on my own stuff yesterday. I thought you just downloaded stuff from the internet.

Secondly, I can appreciate you not wanting to give away your ideas since you won't be paid for them (I woulden't give them away), but why would you send us your stuff the same day you're leaving of you felt this way? You knew before this that you weren't staying. maybe she thought this would push them to hire her, but she knew a week ago today that we hired someone already. WTF crazy lady?