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TimeForGuinness wrote:I try to stay objective and listen to both sides before I vote. But I'll be honest...I usually vote Democrat, but I've been known to vote for Republicans.
I can't wait to vote Blago out of office, either in the primary or general.

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More power to you. That's why we have a democracy. But if Obama is such your dream guy, why would you even watch tonight? To laugh at your opponent? I'm not trying to be condescending, it's a genuine question.
I watched because I want to know something about her and in general, I find politics (while the bastard son of Hitler and Satan) is worth following regardless of party lines. I didn't watch the DNC to become inspired, nor have I watched the RNC to become more cynical.

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AJ wrote:
TimeForGuinness wrote:I try to stay objective and listen to both sides before I vote. But I'll be honest...I usually vote Democrat, but I've been known to vote for Republicans.
I can't wait to vote Blago out of office, either in the primary or general.
(Missouri)

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UK wrote:
RxOfCowbell wrote:
More power to you. That's why we have a democracy. But if Obama is such your dream guy, why would you even watch tonight? To laugh at your opponent? I'm not trying to be condescending, it's a genuine question.
I watched because I want to know something about her and in general, I find politics (while the bastard son of Hitler and Satan) is worth following regardless of party lines. I didn't watch the DNC to become inspired, nor have I watched the RNC to become more cynical.
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AJ wrote:
TimeForGuinness wrote:I try to stay objective and listen to both sides before I vote. But I'll be honest...I usually vote Democrat, but I've been known to vote for Republicans.
I can't wait to vote Blago out of office, either in the primary or general.
I was so disappointed to see him run again. It was the perfect opportunity for Lisa Madigan to take over.

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RxOfCowbell wrote:
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InvincibleCakeEater wrote:I wasn't a big fan of the speech, but she didn't do anything to hurt herself. I think for people that were on the fence, her speech tonight had no impact. Very little substance.
Oh, it did something for the people on the fence. It knocked them to the Obama side. Tonight was such a partisan hit job that it was hard to watch at times. McCain is losing independents by a huge margin and the polls have reflected it. And this isn't gonna help.
Which polls are those? All the ones I've seen lately have shown McCain gaining. I don't put much stock in them, but I don't think that's true. If there has been a bump for Obama in the last week, that happens after every convention.
Gallup has shown that McCain has lost ground dramatically with Independents since the Palin pick.
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InvincibleCakeEater wrote:I wasn't a big fan of the speech, but she didn't do anything to hurt herself. I think for people that were on the fence, her speech tonight had no impact. Very little substance.
Oh, it did something for the people on the fence. It knocked them to the Obama side. Tonight was such a partisan hit job that it was hard to watch at times. McCain is losing independents by a huge margin and the polls have reflected it. And this isn't gonna help.
The arrogance here is laughable
Give me a reason not to be arrogant about having a man like Barack Obama represent my beliefs. Give me a reason not to be optimistic that for the first time in my life, I've found a political figure that speaks to me, not over me. Give me a reason not to be "arrogant" that everything that I've believed in in my life is being represented by a man who I think represents the American Dream to a tee. I'm not arrogant. I'm proud.
More power to you. That's why we have a democracy. But if Obama is such your dream guy, why would you even watch tonight? To laugh at your opponent? I'm not trying to be condescending, it's a genuine question.
I shook my head and spited my dad for refusing to watch the DNC, despite how historic it was. He said "Historic for who? Not for me."

This nomination of Palin was absolutely historic and I wanted to see it. I didn't laugh once at her. I thought she was entirely off base and ignorant, but I wanted to know what she brought to the table. I wanted to know not only what Democrats were going to be up against in November, but more about the person that could be the 2nd most powerful Government figure in America come January. Now I know.

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AJ wrote:It was a good speech, well delivered and timed to a good crowd reaction.
One of my biggest issues with her speech was the timing and the crowd reactions. She wasn't being interrupted by an over-enthusiastic crowd, she would pause and wait and then the crowd would react as though the pause was their cue. Not naturally flowing at all.

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TimeForGuinness wrote:
AJ wrote:
TimeForGuinness wrote:I try to stay objective and listen to both sides before I vote. But I'll be honest...I usually vote Democrat, but I've been known to vote for Republicans.
I can't wait to vote Blago out of office, either in the primary or general.
(Missouri)
Thats alright, can you come over to IL on election day to help us get him out? Pretty easy to register in Chi :wink:

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clement wrote:PujolJ: it's true what you said about the movement of independents but it's impossible to dissect what is the cause. It could have more to do with Obama's speech and the post-convention 'bounce', and little if anything to do with Palin. What is true, I believe, is that the Republicans thought they had scored a coup in the announcement of Palin. The story was such a surprise that the news coverage immediately went blank on Obama's very highly touted speech and all talk and attention was on Palin. That must have been a good thing, except they didn't anticipate all of the questions that would come out. It worked in their favor for about 24 hours and then all that attention began to work against them.

I still think Palin was a horrible choice and it will hurt the McCain ticket a lot more than it helps, but that's just my opinion and whether or not that happens remains to be seen.
Oh, I have no doubt that the convention swayed a lot of momentum into Obama's column. But I still stand by the fact that a lot of people were absolutely turned off due to the fact that Palin is as far right as it comes. And now that people know, it's hurting McCain ALREADY.

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AJ wrote:
TimeForGuinness wrote:
AJ wrote:
TimeForGuinness wrote:I try to stay objective and listen to both sides before I vote. But I'll be honest...I usually vote Democrat, but I've been known to vote for Republicans.
I can't wait to vote Blago out of office, either in the primary or general.
(Missouri)
Thats alright, can you come over to IL on election day to help us get him out? Pretty easy to register in Chi :wink:
Well I do live in the city of St. Louis...that counts for 4 MO votes and 2 IL votes. ;)

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