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JL21 wrote:
maddash wrote:Did they just wait until a customer was stupid enough to order it well done?
Ordering a hamburger well done is not stupid. Quite the contrary...

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/gutche ... r_down.php
Interesting read.

But ordering a hamburger well done is safer, not less stupid.

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maddash wrote:
JL21 wrote:
maddash wrote:Did they just wait until a customer was stupid enough to order it well done?
Ordering a hamburger well done is not stupid. Quite the contrary...

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/gutche ... r_down.php
Interesting read.

But ordering a hamburger well done is safer, not less stupid.
Gambling with your health over a hamburger counts as both in my book. Semantics, I suppose.

If you want meat with more flavor, you shouldn't be eating a burger in the first place.

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lukethedrifter wrote:
MrCrowesGarden wrote:I really don't have that much trouble believing some people think a food tastes great because it comes from some fancy restaurant.

We've got people on here that say such and such beers are overrated and taste just like Bud Light, but lots of people still drink those overrated beers and think they're superior to other ones. I don't think it's that much of a stretch to see it with food as well.
You're crazy if you think I couldn't tell if O'Connell's slipped me a Thickburger.
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JL21 wrote:
maddash wrote:
JL21 wrote:
maddash wrote:Did they just wait until a customer was stupid enough to order it well done?
Ordering a hamburger well done is not stupid. Quite the contrary...

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/gutche ... r_down.php
Interesting read.

But ordering a hamburger well done is safer, not less stupid.
Gambling with your health over a hamburger counts as both in my book. Semantics, I suppose.
I'm honestly a little surprised to read this. I'm sure you know the risks of contracting a bacterial infection from hamburger meat at a sit down restaurant is rare (pardon the pun), and hardly what I would consider a gamble. If that's the case, going to a baseball game and sitting near the field is gambling with your life as well - those foul balls come at you quick. I'm certainly not going to stop going to baseball games, and I'm certainly not going to stop ordering a hamburger less than well done at a restaurant I trust.
If you want meat with more flavor, you shouldn't be eating a burger in the first place.
That's kind of silly to say, don't you think? A burger had a ton of flavor. Please, I beg of you to go to O'Connell's and tell me that meat doesn't have a serious amount of flavor in it.

The question for me is why order a hamburger if you're going to get it well done - I say if you want something well done you shouldn't be eating a burger in the first place. Consider why people choose a hamburger to start with: if it's for the beefy flavor, for the juiciness, for the melt in your mouth texture... Well, if you cook it well done you've effectively ruined all those properties of hamburger meat. You're wasting the qualities you're paying a premium for. I guess if people want to pay for that, more power to them, but it's a bit like buying a nice HD TV and watching nothing but SD broadcasts on it.

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I don't think the type of restaurant really matters. Rare or medium rare ground beef is a gamble that you're going to get some type of stomach issues, and I'm not just talking about an upset tummy. If you want to disagree with pretty much every single reputable source on the subject, then by all means- go ahead. Of course you're not going to run afoul of these stomach issues every single time. But the risk enhances greatly when you venture into the rare/medium rare category.

It doesn't have to be well-done but I'd argue that going with rare and gambling with things like e-coli is stupid, unsafe, whatever you want to call it. If someone wants to firebomb the hell out of the risk by having it well done, that's their choice. It's clearly not a problem for them to order their burger that way.

As for the "silliness" of what I'm saying, no, I don't think it's silly. Yes, O'Connells and plenty of other places have a great burger. These burgers are definitely better and more flavorful than any number of other places. But in terms of flavor, burger is pretty low on the list compared to, say, steak. If you're concerned about getting more flavor to the point that you eat ground beef rare, you can probably save yourself the trouble and just get a steak. You can even order it rare without anywhere near the same risks that you incur with ground beef.

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JL21 wrote:I don't think the type of restaurant really matters. Rare or medium rare ground beef is a gamble that you're going to get some type of stomach issues, and I'm not just talking about an upset tummy. If you want to disagree with pretty much every single reputable source on the subject, then by all means- go ahead. Of course you're not going to run afoul of these stomach issues every single time. But the risk enhances greatly when you venture into the rare/medium rare category.

It doesn't have to be well-done but I'd argue that going with rare and gambling with things like e-coli is stupid, unsafe, whatever you want to call it. If someone wants to firebomb the hell out of the risk by having it well done, that's their choice. It's clearly not a problem for them to order their burger that way.

As for the "silliness" of what I'm saying, no, I don't think it's silly. Yes, O'Connells and plenty of other places have a great burger. These burgers are definitely better and more flavorful than any number of other places. But in terms of flavor, burger is pretty low on the list compared to, say, steak. If you're concerned about getting more flavor to the point that you eat ground beef rare, you can probably save yourself the trouble and just get a steak. You can even order it rare without anywhere near the same risks that you incur with ground beef.
The type of restaurant makes a huge difference - different quality meat = different levels of bacterial risk. And it goes without saying that restaurants store their meat in different ways that also effect bacterial growth.

I never once argued that ordering hamburger under well done wasn't a risk - so I'm certainly not disagree with the experts - I'm only saying that in the big picture that risk is a minor one. I don't consider eating a pink hamburger "gambling with my health", if I'm comfortable with the circumstances. Am I risking infection? Certainly. Is that risk a great one? I don't consider it to be.

It does have to be well done according to every reputable health source if you're talking about fully eliminating bacterial risk (160 degrees must be reached, and that's well done). If you order anything but well done you're risking infection.

No one here is a talking about rare ground beef, so I'm not exactly why you keep taking it to that extreme...

Listen, eating sushi is risky, eating raw oysters is risky, eating produce is risky, even eating a medium-well hamburger is risky... hell, ordering a well done hamburger is risky (how do YOU know it reached 160 degrees?), but any health expert out there isn't going to tell you to stop eating those things, only to use a little common sense. What they'll probably tell you is that the risks of a high fat diet are FAR more deadly than a random bacterial infection.

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And just from a quick google search, the E coli O157:H7 strain causes 61 deaths annually*. I believe lighting strikes cause 73.

* http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/e/e_coli_ ... deaths.htm

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It causes a lot more unpleasant nights than lightning strikes though.

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E coli is primarily a risk borne out of feedlots-and largescale processing plants. If you want to minimize your risk eat grassfed beef or at a minimum grass finished beef. And maddash, the science I've read implicates diets high in processed carbs in increased health risks, ie diabetes, heart disease.

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lukethedrifter wrote:E coli is primarily a risk borne out of feedlots-and largescale processing plants. If you want to minimize your risk eat grassfed beef or at a minimum grass finished beef. And maddash, the science I've read implicates diets high in processed carbs in increased health risks, ie diabetes, heart disease.
Yeah, I didn't spend a lot of time going into the dietary risks, only that things you mention (diabetes, heart disease) are far greater risk threats than food poisoning. Again, not saying food poisoning isn't a risk, only that it's low on the risk scale. There's a heck of a lot more to waste your time worrying about than a pink hamburger, IMO.

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