Jonathan Papelbon

[Dillagii]

http://deadspin.com/sports/getting-jigg ... 310179.php

Enough said.

[cardinalkarp]

God I hate the Red Sox.


Oh yeah, that's just not normal even after you win the pennant.

[JL21]

If this had been, say, Adam Wainwright, would this vitriol exist?

And before anybody says anything about how AW had the chance and didn't do it last year... think of all the stupid stuff that Tavarez did here that was labeled "fun".

[MDCardsFan]

If this had been, say, Adam Wainwright, would this vitriol exist?

And before anybody says anything about how AW had the chance and didn't do it last year... think of all the stupid stuff that Tavarez did here that was labeled "fun".

But in all fairness, if it was a pitcher on the Yankees, would you feel the same way? Your a fan of the Sox, so you see the humor in it. If it was AW, I'd probably find some humor it, fair enough. Tavarez, I didn't find so funny.

[JL21]

Honestly? It's a good question and I can't say for sure. I don't think I'd mind it if it was a Yankee. Or I'd probably mind, but only because they were celebrating in the first place.

Personally, I liked Tavarez's wacky antics.

Check your pm's, by the way, MD.

[Popeye_Card]

If this had been, say, Adam Wainwright, would this vitriol exist?

And before anybody says anything about how AW had the chance and didn't do it last year... think of all the stupid stuff that Tavarez did here that was labeled "fun".

But in all fairness, if it was a pitcher on the Yankees, would you feel the same way? Your a fan of the Sox, so you see the humor in it. If it was AW, I'd probably find some humor it, fair enough. Tavarez, I didn't find so funny.

What he said.

Athletes do stuff all the time that you like when they're on your team, and you hate when they're on the other team.

Think of Jim Edmonds' celebration of his HR against the Astros in '04. As Cards fans, we love it. As the fan of any other team, we'd want to punch him in the face if we ever met him.

--P--

[ghostrunner]

Here's what I don't get. To start with, it's pretty irrational to be loyal to a professional sports team. There's no college affiliation. In many cases, it has a lot to do with you your father liked or where you live. But the players and personnel change all the time. Owners even change. The name and location is the only thing that stays the same, and sometimes even that changes. Why did Brooklyn Dodgers fans suddenly stop following them when they moved away? The players were the same. Name was the same. It's all completely irrational and arbitrary.

So cheering on Edgar Renteria when he plays for the Cardinals, and wishing him ill fortune as a Brave is acceptable. Yet somehow liking Joaquin Andujar's antics, while disliking Carlos Zambrano's or Manny Ramirez makes us bad people. Give me a break. Sports is a trivial pursuit, so I don't see why our flaky attitudes on it are substantial grounds for disdain.

[JL21]

Here's what I don't get. To start with, it's pretty irrational to be loyal to a professional sports team. There's no college affiliation. In many cases, it has a lot to do with you your father liked or where you live. But the players and personnel change all the time. Owners even change. The name and location is the only thing that stays the same, and sometimes even that changes. Why did Brooklyn Dodgers fans suddenly stop following them when they moved away? The players were the same. Name was the same. It's all completely irrational and arbitrary.

So cheering on Edgar Renteria when he plays for the Cardinals, and wishing him ill fortune as a Brave is acceptable. Yet somehow liking Joaquin Andujar's antics, while disliking Carlos Zambrano's or Manny Ramirez makes us bad people. Give me a break. Sports is a trivial pursuit, so I don't see why our flaky attitudes on it are substantial grounds for disdain.

I never really said anything about disdain or anybody being a bad person, nor did I mean to imply it. I hope I didn't, honestly.

That said, it IS hypocritical, no? To canonize the Andujars and Tavarezes of the world while blasting Papelbon for his flaky behavior? If your answer for that hypocrisy is that sports don't have to be rational, that's fair enough. I can buy that.

[ghostrunner]

I never really said anything about disdain or anybody being a bad person, nor did I mean to imply it. I hope I didn't, honestly.

That said, it IS hypocritical, no? To canonize the Andujars and Tavarezes of the world while blasting Papelbon for his flaky behavior? If your answer for that hypocrisy is that sports don't have to be rational, that's fair enough. I can buy that.

Not you. Not trying to pick a fight, but to be blunt I'm talking about Steve here. Coming on this board and chiding us while dropping terms like "Captain Intangibles" (re: Jeter) rubs me the wrong way. If your team is going to spend a bunch of money, and start winning and getting a lot of attention, you need to be able to take a punch. I can only hope to be in that situation. If Warren Buffet buys the team tomorrow and our payroll goes up by 70 million, I'm not going to blame an Astros fan one bit for hating our guts.

And yes, sports fandom is irrational. That seems completely fine to me. Being hypocritical about it isn't a character flaw in my book. The definition of what is hypocritical is even irrational, i.e. rooting for Edgar, then rooting against him.

[fulldeck]

I thought it was pretty funny to be honest. He was just having a good time celebrating.

I bet this ruffled some feathers last season.

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