TV Thread - beware, [expletive] can get spoilery

[BottenFieldofDreams]

LOTR is promising. The quality is there.

They do take a few liberties and there’s one that bugs me more than the rest, but it’s fine. The books are still the books, and they’re also constrained by limited rights. I enjoyed both episodes so far, though the second one was better after all the setup in the first.

Im curious where you’re coming from. The source material (my understanding is it’s the Similarion and the trilogy appendicies), or for its relationship to the core trilogy or Tolkien’s universe? I’m not super literate with the books. I’ve only done The Hobbit and the Fellowship trilogy. And I skipped lots of long passages of poetry. This was all after the movies, too.

If I had to guess it’s probably the Jack Reacher crossover. Felt really forced and extrcannonical.

[ghostrunner]

LOTR is promising. The quality is there.

They do take a few liberties and there’s one that bugs me more than the rest, but it’s fine. The books are still the books, and they’re also constrained by limited rights. I enjoyed both episodes so far, though the second one was better after all the setup in the first.

Im curious where you’re coming from. The source material (my understanding is it’s the Similarion and the trilogy appendicies), or for its relationship to the core trilogy or Tolkien’s universe? I’m not super literate with the books. I’ve only done The Hobbit and the Fellowship trilogy. And I skipped lots of long passages of poetry. This was all after the movies, too.

They only have rights to the LOTR appendices, which include a summary of stuff that's greatly elaborated and added to in The Silmarillion. It's a little murky because I wasn't even sure we'd see the trees or Valinor (the first scene with kid Galadriel and the boat). Apparently they've been able to request some specific parts from the Tolkien estate and it looks like they were granted quite a bit. They just can't use it with a free hand.

They're pretty loose with Galadriel in particular, though that doesn't bother me at all. She's married in the books and isn't really talked about much except for LOTR. I'm fine with those changes and really most of the other changes. The one I'm talking about is when the

[SHOW]

Elf king basically grants passage to Valinor as a prize to Galadriel and her troops. That's way off because the elves in LOTR and this are really in Middle Earth because they want to be and only leave when they eventually have to, which we see in LOTR. There's more to it then that, but that's the meat of it. Going to Valinor isn't an eagerly sought after honor and it's not the King's decision. If it was so great why wouldn't the king just grant that to all of them? It changes the relationship between those places and the nature of the elves relationship to Middle Earth quite a bit. Though i have a feeling it probably won't come up again. I think they just wanted a way to get her out to sea and maybe establish that Valinor is still there but inaccessible to most. That might come up again once the Numenoreans show up.

[BottenFieldofDreams]

LOTR is promising. The quality is there.

They do take a few liberties and there’s one that bugs me more than the rest, but it’s fine. The books are still the books, and they’re also constrained by limited rights. I enjoyed both episodes so far, though the second one was better after all the setup in the first.

Im curious where you’re coming from. The source material (my understanding is it’s the Similarion and the trilogy appendicies), or for its relationship to the core trilogy or Tolkien’s universe? I’m not super literate with the books. I’ve only done The Hobbit and the Fellowship trilogy. And I skipped lots of long passages of poetry. This was all after the movies, too.

They only have rights to the LOTR appendices, which include a summary of stuff that's greatly elaborated and added to in The Silmarillion. It's a little murky because I wasn't even sure we'd see the trees or Valinor (the first scene with kid Galadriel and the boat). Apparently they've been able to request some specific parts from the Tolkien estate and it looks like they were granted quite a bit. They just can't use it with a free hand.

They're pretty loose with Galadriel in particular, though that doesn't bother me at all. She's married in the books and isn't really talked about much except for LOTR. I'm fine with those changes and really most of the other changes. The one I'm talking about is when the

[SHOW]

Elf king basically grants passage to Valinor as a prize to Galadriel and her troops. That's way off because the elves in LOTR and this are really in Middle Earth because they want to be and only leave when they eventually have to, which we see in LOTR. There's more to it then that, but that's the meat of it. Going to Valinor isn't an eagerly sought after honor and it's not the King's decision. If it was so great why wouldn't the king just grant that to all of them? It changes the relationship between those places and the nature of the elves relationship to Middle Earth quite a bit. Though i have a feeling it probably won't come up again. I think they just wanted a way to get her out to sea and maybe establish that Valinor is still there but inaccessible to most. That might come up again once the Numenoreans show up.

Then Fleabag walks in among the Harfoots and breaks the fourth wall, and you’re like wtf am I watching?

Thanks for this background I really do love learning it. I should really go deep on Tolkien. Frankly I don’t know why I haven’t. It’s my Star Wars.

[thrill]

For me, when it comes to LOTR mythology, much like a mine, you should not delve too deep, because you will find weird stuff.

I like it, but when you delve deeper and deeper into, say, GRRM’s mythology, it remains coherent and adds depth. When you delve too deep into Tolkien, you’re like, “well that’s pretty cool but it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

Example, who created the elves? Idk, they just woke up and then the good gods were like, hey come hang with us on the other continent where we have daylight via trees unlike here where you only have perpetual night. Then some of the elves were like “sounds sick, let’s go” and some of the elves were like, “nah.” After morgoth burns the trees, the gods are like, “well we tried two massive lamps on massive towers to light the World but that didn’t work, then we tried the light trees and that didn’t work, so idk maybe we try a sun?”


All the while, people are disappearing with no explanation and morgoth (the devil) is MIA & no one cares.

[thrill]

Oh yeah this is why I came to this thread

[heyzeus]

OH [expletive] if I live that long, I will absolutely watch that.

[ghostrunner]

For me, when it comes to LOTR mythology, much like a mine, you should not delve too deep, because you will find weird stuff.

I like it, but when you delve deeper and deeper into, say, GRRM’s mythology, it remains coherent and adds depth. When you delve too deep into Tolkien, you’re like, “well that’s pretty cool but it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

Example, who created the elves? Idk, they just woke up and then the good gods were like, hey come hang with us on the other continent where we have daylight via trees unlike here where you only have perpetual night. Then some of the elves were like “sounds sick, let’s go” and some of the elves were like, “nah.” After morgoth burns the trees, the gods are like, “well we tried two massive lamps on massive towers to light the World but that didn’t work, then we tried the light trees and that didn’t work, so idk maybe we try a sun?”


All the while, people are disappearing with no explanation and morgoth (the devil) is MIA & no one cares.

I'm trying not to answer this. Anyway, Eru created the elves and the gods knew they were coming. OK, that's it.

[thrill]

This is great. You’re trying not to fall into the trap of caring enough to correct me and I’m trying not to fall into the trap of learning any of this correctly. I decided the sim / lore stuff wasn’t for me when I was 15 & I do not regret this decision.

[ghostrunner]

This is great. You’re trying not to fall into the trap of caring enough to correct me and I’m trying not to fall into the trap of learning any of this correctly. I decided the sim / lore stuff wasn’t for me when I was 15 & I do not regret this decision.

Haha. I hate getting myself into this kind of [expletive].

[go birds]

Oh yeah this is why I came to this thread

womp womp

https://consequence.net/2022/09/eastbou ... iler-fake/