Coronavirus

[MrCrowesGarden]

We may indeed all be [expletive]. I don't disagree there. But no [expletive] way am I buying a drug formulated for farm animals and ingesting it. JFC.

The vaccine isn't a panacea cure but it's good enough to keep almost all of us out of ICU or from dying until this thing becomes endemic and we have actual approved therapeutics available OTC.

Stop saying it’s a drug formulated for farm animals….it’s just the narrative bs and has been shown to you numerous times in this thread alone that ivermectin is intended for human use.

Medical grade cocaine is also a thing and has legit medicinal purposes so we should totally be doing rails.

[GeddyWrox]

We may indeed all be [expletive]. I don't disagree there. But no [expletive] way am I buying a drug formulated for farm animals and ingesting it. JFC.

The vaccine isn't a panacea cure but it's good enough to keep almost all of us out of ICU or from dying until this thing becomes endemic and we have actual approved therapeutics available OTC.

Stop saying it’s a drug formulated for farm animals….it’s just the narrative bs and has been shown to you numerous times in this thread alone that ivermectin is intended for human use.

https://www.agriculture.com/news/iverme ... r-covid-19

What started as a quest to learn about the potential use of ivermectin in treating COVID-19 has spiraled into an alarming trend across multiple states. Thinking it can be used as a substitute for ivermectin intended for humans, many people are flocking to farm supply stores to purchase ivermectin meant for animals.

First licensed as a veterinary product in 1981, the drug is approved for use in preventing heartworm disease in small animals like dogs, and for treating certain internal and external parasites in cattle, swine, sheep, goats, and horses. The FDA approved ivermectin for human use to combat a variety of parasitic diseases (both internal and external) in 1996.

B*tches be buying the farm version.

[thrill]

Safe and effective is in the eyes of the beholder. There are 10’s of thousands of documented cases where the vaccine has injured people, and effective at keeping people from dying and potential hospitalization…sure to an extent…but I’ll also contest that’s not a very effective vaccine.

Well the eyes of this beholder don't know [expletive] compared to the experts. That's why your opinion is misguided and foolish according to all research and metrics but I'll give you a personal example. From what I can tell, the side effects of the vaccine in some cases are all similar to effects that COVID can cause in some cases.

I have a cousin who is 35 and doesn't want the vaccine because she wants to have a baby and one of the reported (extremely rare) side effects that the vaccine can have on women is uncontrolled ovulation. It's incredibly rare though. Sounds scary! I get her hesistation. Except one of my best friends (36 Years old and incredible fit/healthy) got COVID last December and one of her long-haul symptoms, in addition to brain fog, low energy, and a compromised immune system, is...uncontrolled ovulation ever since. Now she has to get a hysterectomy because there are pre-cancerous cells building in her uterus and the doctors have no idea how to treat the uncontrolled ovulation. She is blessed to have a wonderful daughter, but definitely wanted another kid. It's very sad.

So the obvious best-case scenario for folks is to avoid both the vaccine and the virus, but good [expletive] luck with that. Awfully big gamble considering the only way to avoid the virus is to become a literal shut-in and even then you're not 100% safe.

Play the odds. Get the vaccine. Whatever side effects you get will not be as bad as the side effects you get from the actual, full-fledged virus.

[G. Keenan]

Safe and effective is in the eyes of the beholder. There are 10’s of thousands of documented cases where the vaccine has injured people, and effective at keeping people from dying and potential hospitalization…sure to an extent…but I’ll also contest that’s not a very effective vaccine.

It's actually not in the eye of the beholder at all. I guess if your thresholds are 0% side effects and 100% sterilizing immunity it's not a good vaccine in your eyes, but there is no medicine that fits that criteria.

Here's some more actual data showing how effective the vaccine is. This is based on 1 million people in the UK, published yesterday in The Lancet.

This was based on UK date through July 4 so presumably a significant number of reported breakthrough infections were from Delta.

Findings

Between Dec 8, 2020, and July 4, 2021, 1 240 009 COVID Symptom Study app users reported a first vaccine dose, of whom 6030 (0·5%) subsequently tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (cases 1), and 971 504 reported a second dose, of whom 2370 (0·2%) subsequently tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (cases 2). In the risk factor analysis, frailty was associated with post-vaccination infection in older adults (≥60 years) after their first vaccine dose (odds ratio [OR] 1·93, 95% CI 1·50–2·48; p<0·0001), and individuals living in highly deprived areas had increased odds of post-vaccination infection following their first vaccine dose (OR 1·11, 95% CI 1·01–1·23; p=0·039). Individuals without obesity (BMI <30 kg/m2) had lower odds of infection following their first vaccine dose (OR 0·84, 95% CI 0·75–0·94; p=0·0030). For the disease profile analysis, 3825 users from cases 1 were included in cases 3 and 906 users from cases 2 were included in cases 4. Vaccination (compared with no vaccination) was associated with reduced odds of hospitalisation or having more than five symptoms in the first week of illness following the first or second dose, and long-duration (≥28 days) symptoms following the second dose. Almost all symptoms were reported less frequently in infected vaccinated individuals than in infected unvaccinated individuals, and vaccinated participants were more likely to be completely asymptomatic, especially if they were 60 years or older.

A breakthrough rate in this sample of .2% is "not very effective"? Reducing the chance of long Covid is not effective?

The vaccines are indeed safe and effective. You are simply in denial on those points.

[thrill]

The vaccines are indeed safe and effective. You are simply in denial on those points.

It's like climate change. At a certain point, the denial has to be about an emotional reaction, not logic.

[cardsfantx]

The WHO is tracking a new COVID-19 variant called Mu

The World Health Organization (WHO) is tracking a new COVID-19 variant that it says could have the ability to evade the immunity people get from vaccines and prior COVID-19 infections.

Called Mu, the B.1.621 variant was first detected in Colombia in January this year. It has since been detected in 39 countries and was added to the WHO's watchlist on August 30.

According to the open-source database Outbreak.info, 1,953 cases of the Mu variant have been reported in the US. At press time, only two states - South Dakota and Nebraska - have not yet seen infections of the Mu variant.

"At the moment, it looks like there's genuine cause for concern in USA, Central America, and South America, but as we saw with Delta, a potent variant can traverse the globe in the blink of an eye," said Danny Altmann, an immunology expert at Imperial College London, to The Telegraph.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tracking-cov ... 13983.html

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

The WHO is tracking a new COVID-19 variant called Mu

The World Health Organization (WHO) is tracking a new COVID-19 variant that it says could have the ability to evade the immunity people get from vaccines and prior COVID-19 infections.

Called Mu, the B.1.621 variant was first detected in Colombia in January this year. It has since been detected in 39 countries and was added to the WHO's watchlist on August 30.

According to the open-source database Outbreak.info, 1,953 cases of the Mu variant have been reported in the US. At press time, only two states - South Dakota and Nebraska - have not yet seen infections of the Mu variant.

"At the moment, it looks like there's genuine cause for concern in USA, Central America, and South America, but as we saw with Delta, a potent variant can traverse the globe in the blink of an eye," said Danny Altmann, an immunology expert at Imperial College London, to The Telegraph.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tracking-cov ... 13983.html

Sweet.

I guess on the bright side, it probably isn't as transmissible as delta as it's been around in Columbia or wherever since January and still only accounts for 39% of cases. For reference, I think delta is close to 99% in America at this point. Just wait til Delta and Mu have a baby that has all their best traits.

[InvincibleCakeEater]

Stop saying it’s a drug formulated for farm animals….it’s just the narrative bs and has been shown to you numerous times in this thread alone that ivermectin is intended for human use.

[CardsofSTL]

Without stepping into a big pile of [expletive]; can I ask the question--with all these variants going on; why are there not any pushes for the type of shutdowns we had when the original outbreak of the virus began?

[Popeye_Card]

Without stepping into a big pile of [expletive]; can I ask the question--with all these variants going on; why are there not any pushes for the type of shutdowns we had when the original outbreak of the virus began?

With a good portion of the country vaccinated, I don’t think we need to go full shutdown. I would like to see mask mandates and limited capacity return for a while.