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Hoot45 wrote:I am so glad McCarthy is finally gone. Long overdue.
Yup. He was great up until the past few years, and just seemed to really struggle with adapting to today's game. No creativity in plays being run, and outwitted with so many plays/alignments.
I haven't watched a ton of football the past couple of years but it also seems to me like the front office hasn't exactly done much to bolster the team around Rodgers either. That's a tragedy. You have one of the best QBs ever and can't put a halfway competent defense together for how many years? When Aaron Rodgers is healthy the team has a chance at a championship (well, not this year) but if he's hurt then the team is hot garbage and has been for years.

Rodgers should have more than one SB ring. Maybe the issue is McCarthy not knowing how to adapt and use the players he was given but at the same time, if your coach has proven for years that he can't adapt to the changing game and players on his roster then they should have either gotten rid of him years ago or stopped trying to force him to adapt and brought in players that fit the style of game he does actually know how to run.

Either way, Rodgers not having more rings is a travesty... and I absolutely HATE saying that since even when I watched the NFL religiously, I was the opposite of a Green Bay fan.

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tlombard wrote:
Swirls wrote:
Hoot45 wrote:I am so glad McCarthy is finally gone. Long overdue.
Yup. He was great up until the past few years, and just seemed to really struggle with adapting to today's game. No creativity in plays being run, and outwitted with so many plays/alignments.
I haven't watched a ton of football the past couple of years but it also seems to me like the front office hasn't exactly done much to bolster the team around Rodgers either. That's a tragedy. You have one of the best QBs ever and can't put a halfway competent defense together for how many years? When Aaron Rodgers is healthy the team has a chance at a championship (well, not this year) but if he's hurt then the team is hot garbage and has been for years.

Rodgers should have more than one SB ring. Maybe the issue is McCarthy not knowing how to adapt and use the players he was given but at the same time, if your coach has proven for years that he can't adapt to the changing game and players on his roster then they should have either gotten rid of him years ago or stopped trying to force him to adapt and brought in players that fit the style of game he does actually know how to run.

Either way, Rodgers not having more rings is a travesty... and I absolutely HATE saying that since even when I watched the NFL religiously, I was the opposite of a Green Bay fan.
In their defense, they know the defense sucks and have used their top picks in the draft every year for the past several years (I think starting in 2014, since they used their 2013 pick on Eddie Lacy) on bolstering the secondary. Some of them didn't pan out (Damarious Randall and Quintin Rollins immediately come to mind), some were great (Ha Ha Clinton Dix, who just got traded a couple weeks ago at the deadline), and some just haven't stayed healthy enough to have much of an impact at all (Kevin King). Most of their focus has been at CB and S rather than LB and the defensive line. Overall, I'm liking what I'm seeing this year from Jaire Alexander, Bashaud Breeland, and Josh Jackson, though - I think all three of those guys were 2018 draft picks (or were earlier drafts but have just recently been elevated from the practice squad).

They haven't been able to lure high end defensive free agents to Green Bay in years. The exception was Julius Peppers in (I think) 2015, but he only stayed a year and then re-upped with the Panthers the following season. They were set to acquire Khalil Mack from Oakland, but the Bears swooped in at the last second and nabbed him instead. When guys like Davon House are your key offseason defensive acquisitions, you know there's a problem.

They also had an absolutely godawful Defensive Coordinator for years in Dom Capers, whom they finally fired last offseason.

Offense-wise, this is the first year in several years where the Packers have had a truly viable running game. Aaron Jones is still leading the league in YPC. However, a lot of the receiving corps (outside of Davante Adams) has been injured for multiple games, causing Rodgers to rely on a bunch of rookie wideouts who he isn't super familiar with yet. There have been a LOT of dropped passes that should have been caught. They'll get better, but not this year.

Jimmy Howard was signed to a multi-year deal to finally solve our TE problems, but he hasn't had the impact at TE that was predicted of him. Whether it's because McCarthy was not really utilizing him for the talents he possesses at the position, or because he never really had much of a rapport with Rodgers, or because of something completely different entirely, we don't know.

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Swirls wrote:
tlombard wrote:
Swirls wrote:
Hoot45 wrote:I am so glad McCarthy is finally gone. Long overdue.
Yup. He was great up until the past few years, and just seemed to really struggle with adapting to today's game. No creativity in plays being run, and outwitted with so many plays/alignments.
I haven't watched a ton of football the past couple of years but it also seems to me like the front office hasn't exactly done much to bolster the team around Rodgers either. That's a tragedy. You have one of the best QBs ever and can't put a halfway competent defense together for how many years? When Aaron Rodgers is healthy the team has a chance at a championship (well, not this year) but if he's hurt then the team is hot garbage and has been for years.

Rodgers should have more than one SB ring. Maybe the issue is McCarthy not knowing how to adapt and use the players he was given but at the same time, if your coach has proven for years that he can't adapt to the changing game and players on his roster then they should have either gotten rid of him years ago or stopped trying to force him to adapt and brought in players that fit the style of game he does actually know how to run.

Either way, Rodgers not having more rings is a travesty... and I absolutely HATE saying that since even when I watched the NFL religiously, I was the opposite of a Green Bay fan.
In their defense, they know the defense sucks and have used their top picks in the draft every year for the past several years (I think starting in 2014, since they used their 2013 pick on Eddie Lacy) on bolstering the secondary. Some of them didn't pan out (Damarious Randall and Quintin Rollins immediately come to mind), some were great (Ha Ha Clinton Dix, who just got traded a couple weeks ago at the deadline), and some just haven't stayed healthy enough to have much of an impact at all (Kevin King). Most of their focus has been at CB and S rather than LB and the defensive line. Overall, I'm liking what I'm seeing this year from Jaire Alexander, Bashaud Breeland, and Josh Jackson, though - I think all three of those guys were 2018 draft picks (or were earlier drafts but have just recently been elevated from the practice squad).

They haven't been able to lure high end defensive free agents to Green Bay in years. The exception was Julius Peppers in (I think) 2015, but he only stayed a year and then re-upped with the Panthers the following season. They were set to acquire Khalil Mack from Oakland, but the Bears swooped in at the last second and nabbed him instead. When guys like Davon House are your key offseason defensive acquisitions, you know there's a problem.

They also had an absolutely godawful Defensive Coordinator for years in Dom Capers, whom they finally fired last offseason.

Offense-wise, this is the first year in several years where the Packers have had a truly viable running game. Aaron Jones is still leading the league in YPC. However, a lot of the receiving corps (outside of Davante Adams) has been injured for multiple games, causing Rodgers to rely on a bunch of rookie wideouts who he isn't super familiar with yet. There have been a LOT of dropped passes that should have been caught. They'll get better, but not this year.

Jimmy Howard was signed to a multi-year deal to finally solve our TE problems, but he hasn't had the impact at TE that was predicted of him. Whether it's because McCarthy was not really utilizing him for the talents he possesses at the position, or because he never really had much of a rapport with Rodgers, or because of something completely different entirely, we don't know.
Maybe the scouting dept is the problem.

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Jimmy Howard? I think you've been paying too much attention to nonsense Blues rumors! At least I hope that talk is nonsense. Trading for him would be one of the dumbest moves ever for a team that is already going nowhere this season.

I think the deal with Jimmy Graham is that he's just getting old. He's still got something left in the tank but he's not what he was back in the day when he was an absolute beast.

But as I have mentioned before, I have paid very little attention to what has gone on in the NFL with regards to the draft or free agency since the Rams played their last game here. Basically I've watched some playoffs, the Superbowls and a game here and there if there was a really good match up. I keep looking for the league to do something right, ANYTHING at all, so I can justify coming back but they are incapable of being even the tiniest bit decent. Cutting Hunt might have been a step in the right direction if we also didn't know that the league offices told KC to stop trying to get the tape of the incident in the hopes that they could just act like nothing ever happened.

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For years, Rodgers was making stars out of nobodies. I don't necessarily fault the front office for how they've built the roster on the offensive side of the ball because for years it didn't matter who you put out there. Rodgers plus a healthy offensive line would always mean you had a high powered offense. And the defense just had to be good enough to get Rodgers the ball on the last possession of the game within one score.

So what changed? Not the Packers offense, according to rival scouts. Apparently McCarthy is using the same play sets as he always has and defensive coordinators just know what's coming now. This is what I hear people say has caused McCarthy and Rodgers to literally stop talking: Rodgers wants to do something different but McCarthy won't have it. Rodgers' health has of course made this worse because he can't scramble anymore to keep defenses honest. This is also why I really want Lincoln Riley to be the man to call the shots for the rest of Rodgers' career.

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Something I didn't know until today. The Seahawks 43-16 win over San Francisco yesterday was a Scorigami (score that's never happened before in an NFL game.) The Seahawks have now done it in 9 consecutive seasons and have won every time.

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MrCrowesGarden wrote:Something I didn't know until today. The Seahawks 43-16 win over San Francisco yesterday was a Scorigami (score that's never happened before in an NFL game.) The Seahawks have now done it in 9 consecutive seasons and have won every time.
They have been a part of a Scorigami nine straight seasons? That is pretty nuts.

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MrCrowesGarden wrote:Something I didn't know until today. The Seahawks 43-16 win over San Francisco yesterday was a Scorigami (score that's never happened before in an NFL game.) The Seahawks have now done it in 9 consecutive seasons and have won every time.

This is incredible.

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That is something that should be in the "sounds false but is actually true" thread. And the fact that they've done it for 9 years straight is even more mind-boggling.

Also what's crazy is that the last time the Cardinals beat Green Bay at Green Bay was in 1949 when they were still the Chicago Cardinals. Lambeau Field wasn't even built yet - in 1949, the Packers still played their local home games at East High School in Green Bay (they also played between 2-4 "home" games every year in Milwaukee from 1934 to 1994).

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Mark Sanchez 3/10 for 14 yards and two picks, but hey, he knows the system.

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