Marcell Ozuna Watch - (Update: Traded to Cards Pg. 13)

[dmarx114]

Please no Reyes, Weaver, or Flaherty in the deal.

[cardsfantx]

spm
12:28
In your opinion, was Ozuna's year a breakout or an anomaly?

Dave Cameron
12:28
More the latter.
12:29
I think he's a nice hitter, not a great one.

that's my line of thinking as well, which i hope is why the pieces we send aren't too great/over the top.

his bad years he's had are BAAAAD...and the good ones (up until 2017 obv) were basically piscotty

Bad years? He's had 1 bad year out of 4.

When did Piscotty have a 4.5 bWAR? Ozuna did that in his second year.

Ozuna has played 4 full seasons (First year he played 70 games)

He's hit 23 HRs at least every year, and has a WAR of 4.5, 0.4, 2.5, 5.8

Piscotty has had 2 full years, his best year he hit 22 HRs and had a WAR of 2.9.

Which would be Ozuna's 3rd best year, by a mile. So, I don't see how they're similar or really close.

oh good....WAR again

I'm not the biggest WAR guy, just using it as an example. But Piscotty isn't Ozuna's equal at all. Ozuna hits for more power and just is a better overall hitter period.

He's not Stanton by any means, but as soon as we get him he's probably our best everyday player.

sorry, i added/edited the other post too late...

we're not needing a WAR guy...we're needing a counting stats guy (HRs/OPS in particular..his WAR is higher cause he's a very good defender)

in 2014 his OPS was 772; in 2016 his OPS was 773 (in 2013 in 275 ABs his OPS was 692; in 2015 his OPS was 691)

even in his crappy year last year, piscotty's OPS was 709...in 2016 his OPS was 800

in other words, ozuna has NEVER had an OPS in ANY year higher than piscotty, other than last year (2017)

hope he's maturing/hitting his prime...or could just be an outlier

I get that and agree, I want a more Power offense.

And Ozuna hits for way more power than Piscotty though. Piscotty's ISO peak is .184, while Ozuna has surpassed that 3 times.

I think Ozuna, even if he doesn't match 2017, can hit you 30 HRs, pretty easily. I think low 20s is Piscotty's ceiling.

gotcha...and i want him (ozuna), don't get me wrong...the return better not just be over the top is all i'm saying.

that, and he's only the first step/piece moved for offense this year

[Magneto2.0]

Please no Reyes, Weaver, or Flaherty in the deal.

Zero chance Reyes is in it. Weaver probably not. Flaherty likely.

[Fat Strat]

There we go! Everything was pointing to this for awhile. Nice to have a good hitter in the bag. Makes everything else we want to do this offseason easier to handle.

I still think we will do more. Colome is next. Maybe even Longoria in it. Depends on who goes to Miami.

[Farewell Friends]

I'll say Flaherty and Alcantara are for sure gone.

[Farewell Friends]

There we go! Everything was pointing to this for awhile. Nice to have a good hitter in the bag. Makes everything else we want to do this offseason easier to handle.

I still think we will do more. Colome is next. Maybe even Longoria in it. Depends on who goes to Miami.

I'm going to hold out hope the Jays will part with Donaldson.

[cardsfantx]

Please no Reyes, Weaver, or Flaherty in the deal.

weaver is in the rotation, so won't be him unless we're aquiring another starter sometime this offseason (flaherty ain't ready for a full season)

reyes...i just don't see the cards moving him for an ozuna type.

very well could be flaherty...but my bet is alcantara is the big piece

[Tim]

All your base belong to us

[Fat Strat]

I'll say Flaherty and Alcantara are for sure gone.

I think it's only one of those and then a pitcher down a little further. Hudson or a power arm in A or AA.

Grichuk is the OF'er. I'm going to predict that, too.

[cardsfantx]

I'll say Flaherty and Alcantara are for sure gone.

in the same trade/this one?? not a chance