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IMADreamer wrote:
haltz wrote:Dreamer, what airline are you flying? Some let you pay for a pre-assigned seat such as an exit row for a fairly nominal fee, which is what I would suggest. It's really all about the leg room and the other amenities are fairly inconsequential imo.

We are open to airline choice so any suggestions on that? We are just now getting everything together and planning. We are shooting for a late spring trip.

Flights get a whole lot more expensive at certain times of the year. I'd look into that if you are flexible.

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IMADreamer wrote:Maybe this would be a good time and place to ask this. We are thinking of going to Europe next year. As you guys know I'm a complete Hoosier and I've never flown before. I'm not afraid to I just love driving and I think the journey is half the fun of a trip. Obviously we can't drive to Paris so this means it's time to for me to fly. I dread the idea of being on a plane with 200 strangers and having to poop in a tin can. Yeah I know these are the things I think about.

So economy is like a grand round trip. Economy premium is double. Business is 6k and First class is 9k. First class seems absurd and business seems kinda crazy but whats the difference between economy and economy premium? Basically it's half a day on a freaking air plane so I kinda don't mind ponying up for more comfort on what amounts to a once in a lifetime trip anyway. Well probably.
Check Google Flights every day, and be flexible on your dates. Go when the price works instead of pre-specified days. Whenever there's a great big fare sale, Google Flights has it. So when, say, Delta does a big blow-out and it's like "You can go to Paris for $500 r/t if you book by X and travel between A and B", it's on Google Flights, which is an awesome tool for travel.

Economy to Paris is not that uncomfortable unless you are over 6'2" or are a heftier fella or both. If you qualify as that, then you might find it worth ponying up for Economy Plus or whatever the airline calls it. I assume you're making a stop somewhere, so if you can you should make the stop happen on the east coast rather than the Midwest. That will mean a shorter second leg to Paris, less time on one flight. Stopping over in NYC instead of Chicago means a 7 hour flight to Paris (sometimes less if you get a good tailwind) rather than 8+ hours.

Also, if being comfortable on the plane is a priority, check as much as you can so you carry as little on the plane as possible. If you and a companion each have a decent-size duffel bag and have to stuff them under the seat in front of you because the overhead bins are full because some people who got on before you are cheap-o's who refuse to check bags, then your legroom is effectively reduced by about 70%. Try to carry on just a small bag with a toothbrush, a book, some headphones, etc. so that if you do have to stow it under the seat in front of you you don't kill your legroom. This happens on every flight ever. Some couple going to Paris for 11 days crams everything into two roller bags and two duffel bags, hustles onto the plane, and crams it all into overhead space meant for four people. Multiply that by like 15 such couples on your flight, and there's not a ton of space.

I think you'll find if you download a few two-hour movies to your iPad or iPhone via Netflix (a neat little upgrade for them), then watching those in-air and spending 30 minutes eating whatever meal they provide will leave you finding the flight to go quicker than expected.

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Having gone over the Atlantic a bunch of times, and both being taller than 6'2" and a bit on the hefty side, if you're anything like me you just need to prepare for it to suck, a bit. Airlines are scum. But with that in mind, I presume you'd rather spend your money at the other end than on just getting there, so unless Economy Plus or whatever is dirt cheap, then might as well be the cheapest option and keep your fingers crossed that there's a spare seat next to you.

Prices. They're deliberately weird, I think. A single from Manchester to St Louis was a shade over $1000, but a return (the other leg of which I just won't use)? $600. No chuffing idea.

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Also besides Google Flights (which is a fantastic resource that I use all the time), you can go to ExpertFlyer.com and set up alerts for specific routes you're looking at, and be notified whenever the flight you want drops below $XXX.

There are also low-cost budget carriers out there now for transatlantic flights. Think Spirit and Frontier but not giant assbag companies. Your best bet is Norwegian Airlines. You pay one way fares and pay to check or carry on bags, etc. But the seats are actually pretty comfortable, space is fine, and they are dirt cheap.

ThePointsGuy.com is a good resource to, if nothing else, see alerts on discounted fares overseas. He's beyond an elitist snob at this point (for example, he actually paid $33k for a one way ticket on Etihad's "The Residence" on their inaugural trip from NYC to Abu Dhabi, he now flies with a videographer full time to record him being an elitist snob, etc) but some of the articles are valuable. Especially some of the travel tips regarding gadgets, sights to see, hotels, etc. Here are a couple published within the past couple days that might interest you:

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... -from-483/

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... om-200-rt/

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... ound-trip/

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Swirls wrote:Also besides Google Flights (which is a fantastic resource that I use all the time), you can go to ExpertFlyer.com and set up alerts for specific routes you're looking at, and be notified whenever the flight you want drops below $XXX.

There are also low-cost budget carriers out there now for transatlantic flights. Think Spirit and Frontier but not giant assbag companies. Your best bet is Norwegian Airlines. You pay one way fares and pay to check or carry on bags, etc. But the seats are actually pretty comfortable, space is fine, and they are dirt cheap.

ThePointsGuy.com is a good resource to, if nothing else, see alerts on discounted fares overseas. He's beyond an elitist snob at this point (for example, he actually paid $33k for a one way ticket on Etihad's "The Residence" on their inaugural trip from NYC to Abu Dhabi, he now flies with a videographer full time to record him being an elitist snob, etc) but some of the articles are valuable. Especially some of the travel tips regarding gadgets, sights to see, hotels, etc. Here are a couple published within the past couple days that might interest you:

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... -from-483/

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... om-200-rt/

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... ound-trip/
Also, don't overlook getting a credit card, earning the points, then redeeming those points for airline tickets. They have some really good deals out there.

Without looking too much into it, the first card here is giving away 100k points if you spend $4k within 3 months. 100k points is pretty close to $1,000-$1,500 to put towards airline tickets.

http://thepointsguy.com/credit-cards/airline/

I love taking advantage of credit cards like this and have probably redeemed $2k worth of incentives over the past couple years and a byproduct is strengthening your credit if you care about that sort of thing.

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Swirls wrote:Also besides Google Flights (which is a fantastic resource that I use all the time), you can go to ExpertFlyer.com and set up alerts for specific routes you're looking at, and be notified whenever the flight you want drops below $XXX.

There are also low-cost budget carriers out there now for transatlantic flights. Think Spirit and Frontier but not giant assbag companies. Your best bet is Norwegian Airlines. You pay one way fares and pay to check or carry on bags, etc. But the seats are actually pretty comfortable, space is fine, and they are dirt cheap.

ThePointsGuy.com is a good resource to, if nothing else, see alerts on discounted fares overseas. He's beyond an elitist snob at this point (for example, he actually paid $33k for a one way ticket on Etihad's "The Residence" on their inaugural trip from NYC to Abu Dhabi, he now flies with a videographer full time to record him being an elitist snob, etc) but some of the articles are valuable. Especially some of the travel tips regarding gadgets, sights to see, hotels, etc. Here are a couple published within the past couple days that might interest you:

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... -from-483/

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... om-200-rt/

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... ound-trip/
Also, don't overlook getting a credit card, earning the points, then redeeming those points for airline tickets. They have some really good deals out there.

Without looking too much into it, the first card here is giving away 100k points if you spend $4k within 3 months. 100k points is pretty close to $1,000-$1,500 to put towards airline tickets.

http://thepointsguy.com/credit-cards/airline/

I love taking advantage of credit cards like this and have probably redeemed $2k worth of incentives over the past couple years and a byproduct is strengthening your credit if you care about that sort of thing.
At $450/yr

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lukethedrifter wrote:
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Swirls wrote:Also besides Google Flights (which is a fantastic resource that I use all the time), you can go to ExpertFlyer.com and set up alerts for specific routes you're looking at, and be notified whenever the flight you want drops below $XXX.

There are also low-cost budget carriers out there now for transatlantic flights. Think Spirit and Frontier but not giant assbag companies. Your best bet is Norwegian Airlines. You pay one way fares and pay to check or carry on bags, etc. But the seats are actually pretty comfortable, space is fine, and they are dirt cheap.

ThePointsGuy.com is a good resource to, if nothing else, see alerts on discounted fares overseas. He's beyond an elitist snob at this point (for example, he actually paid $33k for a one way ticket on Etihad's "The Residence" on their inaugural trip from NYC to Abu Dhabi, he now flies with a videographer full time to record him being an elitist snob, etc) but some of the articles are valuable. Especially some of the travel tips regarding gadgets, sights to see, hotels, etc. Here are a couple published within the past couple days that might interest you:

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... -from-483/

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... om-200-rt/

http://thepointsguy.com/2016/12/deal-al ... ound-trip/
Also, don't overlook getting a credit card, earning the points, then redeeming those points for airline tickets. They have some really good deals out there.

Without looking too much into it, the first card here is giving away 100k points if you spend $4k within 3 months. 100k points is pretty close to $1,000-$1,500 to put towards airline tickets.

http://thepointsguy.com/credit-cards/airline/

I love taking advantage of credit cards like this and have probably redeemed $2k worth of incentives over the past couple years and a byproduct is strengthening your credit if you care about that sort of thing.
At $450/yr
Usually those annual fees are waived the first year. On this one it does not appear to be though it's certainly worth calling the company and ask them to do it which they likely will even if it means foregoing the $300 credit towards travel. Then, use it, get the rewards, get the ticket and cancel the card.

Regardless even if they don't waive the fee, it's still worth getting it if you're looking at $2k+ in travel expenses.

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Not to get too much into the points/miles game (which I mentioned as a solid option for Dreamer a page or two back), but the $450 annual fee on that card is misleading. For one it comes with a $300 travel credit that can be used for anything from airfare to Uber rides to checked baggage fees to airport parking to booze on the airplane, which effectively knocks the fee down to $150. Plus the credit renews after your december statement, so if you applied for the card a month or two ago, you could technically use it twice for $600 in statement credits on your card while only paying the $450 fee once.

It also comes with Priority Pass Select lounge access, which runs $400/year. Free lounge food/booze for you and guests is always nice. And their lounges are fantastic (although limited here in the states as there are only a handful of them, but there are over 1000 worldwide).

The points can be transferred to like 11 different partners, which is where the real value comes in. Or you could just redeem them on the Chase travel portal @ $0.015/point where the points are equal to $1,500.

So absolute worst case, you pay $4k in regular expenses that you would normally use anyway (even rent/mortgages and taxes these days, although those expenses carry a 1.5-2% transaction fee), and then you get $1800 in free airfare/hotel fees.

Also don't forget to travel overseas with a card with no foreign transaction fees. Nothing is worse than coming back to the states and finding out that literally every single charge you made was hit with a 3% FTF that was completely avoidable with a card with no annual fee.

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The "premium" travel rewards cards (aka the ones at a $450 fee and above) never have the annual fee waived. Up until a few months ago you could cancel the card mid-year and they would refund you the prorated amount of the annual fee, but I don't know if any of the credit card companies still do that or not (I know for a fact Amex cancelled their prorating policy back in August).

I carry a [expletive] of travel rewards credit cards. Two of them have that $450 fee (neither of which is the Chase Sapphire Reserve, btw), a few others carry a $95 fee (most of these are waived the first year), and some have no annual fee.

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Didn't know the premium ones wouldn't waive the fee the first year. Still, like you mention, it's worth noting that credit card companies love these introductory promos/bonuses because people 1. sign up for the card 2. don't qualify for the bonus and/or 3. get into a position where they can't pay their balance then 4. keep the card for a long time and 5. pay the annual fee every year on top of interest.

But, smart consumers can totally flip this in their favor* by signing up for the card, meet the requirements for the bonus, collect the bonus and cancel the card. After doing this for a year or more, it's tougher to find the introductory bonuses as easily. But, even then, there are cards that just make a ton of sense to use everyday. American Express has a card that pays 6% cash back on groceries and supermarket purchases, 3% on gas and restaurants, and 1% on everything else. It has an annual fee of $75 and comes with an instant credit of $150 (so 2 years free). Add it all up and it's a free $500-$1k/year. On top of that, it delays payments so you're paying for stuff a month or more after you apy for it and if there's a discrepancy it never affects your bank account....whereas with a debit card it's an instant deduction that can be refunded but you're out the cash during the dispute process in many cases.

*which is why websites like nerdwallet.com and thepointsguy.com exist in the first place.

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