TV Thread - beware, [expletive] can get spoilery

[stlouie_lipp]

Anyone watch the series finale of Two and a Half Men? I thought it was odd in that the whole episode was about Charlie. I thought there would be a joke or two, maybe a cameo. But the entire finale?

[Jocephus]

tmz found eddie dissing garret morris! evidence! blarhghafh!

http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/19/eddie-mur ... ade-video/

[heyzeus]

Wrong + Wrong = Right
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Also, go through the annals of mocking the foibles of celebrities. You are not going to find any Paris Hilton sketches on SNL right now because, seriously, who needs to take a shot at Paris Hilton? There are no Bill Clinton sketches. That's all done, it's over. They joke about Paris Hilton when she's at her height, then they move on to what's current, and they poke fun at the Kardashians. When the world forgets about the Kardashians (which is overdue by about a half hour) they'll move on to another vapid celebrity. But they won't go back to the Kardashians in 6 years and go "haha, career is over, you suck now" because, really, why bother? Good comedy hits by pointing out something we maybe don't all see about a celeb when they're at their height, or that we do see but no one is calling out. It doesn't wait for someone to be at their lowest then hit.

This makes no sense. We're not talking about some reality star nobody who was forgotten 3 years ago, it's Eddie [expletive] Murphy, a superstar who just made Vampire in Brooklyn 2 and got pulled over with a transsexual hooker. If you're a celeb in that scenario and you're hypersensitive to being the butt of some zingers by the likes of Spade, Leno, et al, you're gonna have a bad time.

[Jocephus]

Wrong + Wrong = Right
???

Also, go through the annals of mocking the foibles of celebrities. You are not going to find any Paris Hilton sketches on SNL right now because, seriously, who needs to take a shot at Paris Hilton? There are no Bill Clinton sketches. That's all done, it's over. They joke about Paris Hilton when she's at her height, then they move on to what's current, and they poke fun at the Kardashians. When the world forgets about the Kardashians (which is overdue by about a half hour) they'll move on to another vapid celebrity. But they won't go back to the Kardashians in 6 years and go "haha, career is over, you suck now" because, really, why bother? Good comedy hits by pointing out something we maybe don't all see about a celeb when they're at their height, or that we do see but no one is calling out. It doesn't wait for someone to be at their lowest then hit.

This makes no sense. We're not talking about some reality star nobody who was forgotten 3 years ago, it's Eddie [expletive] Murphy, a superstar who just made Vampire in Brooklyn 2 and got pulled over with a transsexual hooker. If you're a celeb in that scenario and you're hypersensitive to being the butt of some zingers by the likes of Spade, Leno, et al, you're gonna have a bad time.

and i would add, wasn't the "infamous" hollywood minute bit in the early 90s? it was relevant at the time. this isn't some retroactive insult he threw.

[jim]

You're right, I have very high standards. It makes me difficult. I argue with people who think that Spade calling out Murphy is "ballsy" and not "easy" because my standards are such that I see right through the "ballsy" BS and call it what it really is.

OTOH, in the bourbon thread I've long held that people should drink what they like, regardless the price point, stumped for Benchmark at $12/1L as a must-have and a great value. I've said how much I love MacGruber and other dumb comedies. I've said how much I love Hardee's and Monicals Pizza and been shouted down for both on this board.

So maybe I have standards and dig in on certain things, but am not quite the all-encompassing elitist you're making out here.

You have been shouted down on this board because of the way you communicate and express your ideas. It's not the rest of the worlds fault.

[go birds]

jesus christ baseball season cant come soon enough

[Schlich]

So nobody thought the acting was pretty terrible in the 3rd episode in BCS? I loved the first two episodes but some of the dialogue was just brutal in the 3rd episode - I'm talking about his lawyer girl friend and the two investigators. Terrible.

sometimes it's hard for me to differentiate between bad acting and shallow characters and writing. It was either one or the other, but it didn't bother me too much. The girlfriend seemed fine enough and the investigators seem to just be props. The two skateboarding numbnuts made me cringe a lot more.

[Famous Mortimer]

and i would add, wasn't the "infamous" hollywood minute bit in the early 90s? it was relevant at the time. this isn't some retroactive insult he threw.

It'd have been the 95-96 season, Spade's last on the show. One line, 20 years ago.

Spade's entire shtick was being mean to celebrities. The Murphy joke was probably the gentlest one he ever did, and it caused Murphy to not set foot in 30 Rock in almost 20 years. Of these two behaviours - mild joke, insane overreaction - I think I'm on mild joke's side.

But he shouldn't have made the joke because his career since hasn't been very good. Perhaps it'd help us come to some sort of resolution if you told us the exact level of celebrity needed before someone is allowed to be mean about the person responsible for films as awful as "Vampire In Brooklyn" and "Beverly Hills Cop 3". And perhaps you could invent some sort of time machine so we can retroactively judge all jokes based on the careers of the people telling them, then go back and stop them telling them.

The mere fact you're this annoyed by it, 20 years later, shows it wasn't an easy joke to make, and if it was everyone would have made it. Comedians don't insult other comedians not out of some ridiculous romanticised view of the comedy community, but because it makes it harder for them to find work. So, insulting a guy as big and powerful as Eddie Murphy was in 1995 was a ballsy move, yes.

Let's see if I can head off a comeback at the pass. Why aren't other former cast members mocked the same way? Because Murphy is the most famous of them all; and also because few cast members have made such terrible movies as he's been doing since the late 80s. He's a unique case, and if anything got off lightly; also, the show has become increasingly toothless since Norm was fired, so no-one really gets insulted any more.

There's a really easy way this could have been avoided - that's if Eddie Murphy hadn't sucked out loud for years. He's made maybe two good films since 1988. 1988! Perhaps if more comedians had been mean about the [expletive] movies he was churning out at the time he might have thought twice about making them.

Actually, by your own logic, why are you being so mean to David Spade? Why does the respect you're so insistent on giving the horrible-for-25-years Murphy not apply to Spade?

[Vidor]

You're right, I have very high standards. It makes me difficult.

Sweet merciful Jebus, the pretension.

[Vidor]

The edition of "The Amazing Race" that starts next week includes five "blind date" couples with no prior attachment.

I think it might be time for that show to be put down.