TV Thread - beware, [expletive] can get spoilery

[thrill]

"This is a ridiculous conversation," he says to himself while simultaneously deciding to take part.

I mean, if you think there's a SNL player of the last 20 years, from the Sandler/Spade/Farley/Myers era up to now, who has had a bigger dip from status on SNL to status after SNL than David Spade, please make the case for that person.

I think it's fair to say Dana Carvey was both a bigger star while on SNL and a bigger flop outside of SNL. Just Shoot Me and that CBS show we're bigger and more lucrative than anything Dana Carvey has done outside of SNL.

[33anda3rd]

"This is a ridiculous conversation," he says to himself while simultaneously deciding to take part.

I mean, if you think there's a SNL player of the last 20 years, from the Sandler/Spade/Farley/Myers era up to now, who has had a bigger dip from status on SNL to status after SNL than David Spade, please make the case for that person.

I think it's fair to say Dana Carvey was both a bigger star while on SNL and a bigger flop outside of SNL. Just Shoot Me and that CBS show we're bigger and more lucrative than anything Dana Carvey has done outside of SNL.

Semantics FTW

Also: go back and watch The Dana Carvey Show and tell me Spade has done anything nearly that good.

Also: Wayne's World.

Also: I agree, ridiculous conversation. Are we really debating that David Spade, based on his SNL status to now, is not a "fallen star"?

[Jocephus]

well if you know your history, spade didn't have a status on snl until he made it for himself.

dratch fell on her face, im a fan of forte but he really hasn't done much (certinaly not 800 million!) hader could be in line for little success, kattan, lets be real, norms shows all sucked after he left. again i like him but its really not like he's lighting up the box office or has since snl.

and no im not making a case for these because even if i did you'd say im wrong because of your preferences

[Jocephus]

why are you getting such a hardon for spades comment way back when? no one debates the overall success of spade vs murphy, but because you dont care for spade you [expletive] on him as if its part of your "science trumps belief" argumentation. its not.

It has nothing to do with that.

It has to do with the beautiful irony of David Spade being the last person on earth to make a falling star joke. Because his stock has fallen so far.

Ok, Schneider's box office contains Sandler money. Deuce Bigalow made 15 million more than Joe Dirt and Donnie Whatever: Child Star combined. And also not that many people are calling up David Spade and saying "Hey I have a part for you."

but you realize he said that joke when at a time it would have worked, for the joke.

also, sandler calls spade

[thrill]

"This is a ridiculous conversation," he says to himself while simultaneously deciding to take part.

I mean, if you think there's a SNL player of the last 20 years, from the Sandler/Spade/Farley/Myers era up to now, who has had a bigger dip from status on SNL to status after SNL than David Spade, please make the case for that person.

I think it's fair to say Dana Carvey was both a bigger star while on SNL and a bigger flop outside of SNL. Just Shoot Me and that CBS show we're bigger and more lucrative than anything Dana Carvey has done outside of SNL.

Semantics FTW

Also: go back and watch The Dana Carvey Show and tell me Spade has done anything nearly that good.

Also: Wayne's World.

Also: I agree, ridiculous conversation. Are we really debating that David Spade, based on his SNL status to now, is not a "fallen star"?

Now you're moving the goal posts. You have to include Wayne's World as part of the SNL oeuvre. Looking at it that way, Tommy Boy, Joe Dirt, Black Sheep are all more than Carvey's done. I'm not saying David Spade is funnier or "better" in a comedy nerd kind of way. You asked the question about "status" dip. Dana Carvey was more famous then and less famous now than David Spade ever was or is. Carvey had higher "status" and now has lower "status." So any way you care to quantify it, Dana Carvey is the answer to your dumb challenge. I guess that doesn't fit into your weird narrative about Spade, so whatever.

[33anda3rd]

Dratch is fair. Forte has MacGruber and Nebraska and a really interesting show coming this spring. Kattan, true, not much there. Also Molly Shannon.

So, yeah, a little hyperbolic on my part maybe. There have been other SNL crashes.

However: Dratch and Kattan and Shannon's humor was never rooted in mean-spritedness. And that's my main point here: that the one guy on SNL who was a mean-spirited jerk (real or persona), who made a snide comment about a former SNL great falling, has had kind of a career in the ghetto of the entertainment industry since SNL. He was part of a five-headed phenomenon on that show, and he's the one of that five who didn't go on to really big things.

[Jocephus]

but dont you go on about IASIP, you just said they are like seinfeld, terrible people, mean spiritdness but hiliarous, etc...why because of spade do you pull out all the stops?

[thrill]

but dont you go on about IASIP, you just said they are like seinfeld, terrible people, mean spiritdness but hiliarous, etc...why because of spade do you pull out all the stops?

He once overheard David Spade saying that anyone who drinks anything fancier than Budweiser and Jim Beam is a [expletive].

[33anda3rd]

but dont you go on about IASIP, you just said they are like seinfeld, terrible people, mean spiritdness but hiliarous, etc...why because of spade do you pull out all the stops?

There's a big difference between
1. here's a story about five fictional [expletive] losers in Philly doing really depraved, narcissistic, nihilistic stuff, and
2. Hi I'm David Spade, and here's a personal, snide, sarcastic attack-based comment about Eddie Murphy.

You don't crap on the greats who came before you. You just don't do it. You show respect. Even if they have fallen, you pass on that joke and you write another one that doesn't involve knocking someone who had the same job you had, and was probably a top-3 all-time SNL cast member, when you're on SNL. Comedians make fun of everything, nothing is sacred. But you will pretty much never, outside a Comedy Central roast, find a comedian making fun of another comedian's career. That's taboo, and it's taboo for a reason. Because they can--and most will--all end up there.

[Freed Roger]

Will Forte on SNL that played frat boy-like character and said

I can’t even go to Switzerland, stupid date rape trail