ghostrunner wrote:Read/listened to some interesting (and mild) criticism that everything tied up a little too neatly, and the suggestion that either Granite State or Ozymandias could have been finales themselves. This was both on Alan Sepinwall and Andy Greenwald's podcasts. I think I agree somewhat. Also mention of how little Jesse there was this season, and in the finale. At least in terms of lines and dialogue between him and Walter. I do agree there - not that Jesse had much more to say, but that his overall story this season just wasn't that good. So glad there wasn't huge pressure from AMC to do more seasons.
Sepinwall was also talking about the Shield finale and how good that was - I had quit on that after season 4 or so. Just thought it got too ridiculous, with Vic always spontaneously finding his way out of situations. But I may give it another go now. I'm also more of a Walton Goggins fan than I used to be.
I've seen that criticism. And while I don't really agree, I think it's an interesting point. Certainly one worth consideration.
I would've been ok with one more season, actually. Or better yet, just make seasons 5A and 5B full seasons.
They did a masterful job of working around it, but they were clearly rushed in their timeline. After Hank's realization about Walt, it took less than one episode to confront him with it. That could've been fleshed out a little more. Walt spent several months in New Hampshire, but it accounted for less than an episode. As you say, it was a somewhat Jesse-free season. His story could've been fleshed out more. They didn't need a full season for all of that stuff but a handful more episodes- say, 5 to 10- would've given them the leeway to accomplish it.
ghostrunner wrote:Read/listened to some interesting (and mild) criticism that everything tied up a little too neatly, and the suggestion that either Granite State or Ozymandias could have been finales themselves. This was both on Alan Sepinwall and Andy Greenwald's podcasts. I think I agree somewhat. Also mention of how little Jesse there was this season, and in the finale. At least in terms of lines and dialogue between him and Walter. I do agree there - not that Jesse had much more to say, but that his overall story this season just wasn't that good. So glad there wasn't huge pressure from AMC to do more seasons.
Sepinwall was also talking about the Shield finale and how good that was - I had quit on that after season 4 or so. Just thought it got too ridiculous, with Vic always spontaneously finding his way out of situations. But I may give it another go now. I'm also more of a Walton Goggins fan than I used to be.
I've seen that criticism. And while I don't really agree, I think it's an interesting point. Certainly one worth consideration.
I would've been ok with one more season, actually. Or better yet, just make seasons 5A and 5B full seasons.
They did a masterful job of working around it, but they were clearly rushed in their timeline. After Hank's realization about Walt, it took less than one episode to confront him with it. That could've been fleshed out a little more. Walt spent several months in New Hampshire, but it accounted for less than an episode. As you say, it was a somewhat Jesse-free season. His story could've been fleshed out more. They didn't need a full season for all of that stuff but a handful more episodes- say, 5 to 10- would've given them the leeway to accomplish it.
No one wanted to see more of Walt in New Hampshire sitting there like a turd waiting to be flushed down the toilet though. The state of mind and overall horribleness were conveyed when he paid the guy $10K to hangout for an hour. And during that hour the guy told him he was going to take Walt's money when he died.
I thought I wanted to see things fleshed out a little more as well...I definitely expressed surprise at the time at how quickly Walt and Hank confronted each other. But at the same time, part of the greatness of the final season was the breakneck pace that major things happened. The finale itself wasn't all that great, but you have to look at the entire season as a whole to appreciate it. The finale was like the last ten minutes of a movie when the conflict is already resolved and showing "what happened next". There weren't a lot of surprises and for all the people that died there wasn't a whole lot of tension left, but I still liked it from a big picture perspective. I also liked that Walt never got to resolve things or get any forgiveness from Walt Jr. To me, that was the one character he truly cared about and loved the whole time so it wasn't quite the perfect ending that a lot of people saw it as. I can't wait for the DVDs to come out so I can binge watch the whole last season again all at once.
I thought I wanted to see things fleshed out a little more as well...I definitely expressed surprise at the time at how quickly Walt and Hank confronted each other. But at the same time, part of the greatness of the final season was the breakneck pace that major things happened. The finale itself wasn't all that great, but you have to look at the entire season as a whole to appreciate it. The finale was like the last ten minutes of a movie when the conflict is already resolved and showing "what happened next". There weren't a lot of surprises and for all the people that died there wasn't a whole lot of tension left, but I still liked it from a big picture perspective. I also liked that Walt never got to resolve things or get any forgiveness from Walt Jr. To me, that was the one character he truly cared about and loved the whole time so it wasn't quite the perfect ending that a lot of people saw it as. I can't wait for the DVDs to come out so I can binge watch the whole last season again all at once.
Walt really loved WJ. I think from the very beginning his goal was to give WJ money. He fulfilled that goal. In the process he also alienated WJ and his lost his love and respect. Was it worth it? That's something the viewer will have to decide for themselves, I think.
I really liked the New Hampshire episode and probably could've watched more. Reminded me a little if the Vito storyline in the final season of Sopranos. But I hadn't been rooting for Walt either so I got some enjoyment out if his misery even if I felt bad for him at the same time.
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:what is the scene of jesse making a box?
When he was in rehab, they asked everyone to think of a memory where they were truly happy and healthy and he thought of when he made a box for his aunt in shop class. It's his happy place.
