TV Thread - beware, [expletive] can get spoilery

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

Weren't they talking about drinking a lot of wine?

[Jocephus]

first new episode of eastbound and down is on youtube from hbo

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[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

[SHOW]

I still don't get why Walt would out Jesse under the car in the desert and then ultimately take a bullet for him and save his life. Change of heart or part of his master plan?

[SHOW]

Did he take a bullet for him on purpose or just part of the chaos. I don't think Walt was under any illusion of walking away. Tackling Jesse got them away from certain death, but was a good way for him to create a distraction as well so he could get the keys out.

Regardless, Walt changed - big time - over the last couple episodes. Going from Heisenberg to something worse to broken and eventually back to who he eventually was, a mixture of everyone. Brilliant criminal, ruthless planner, family man. His empire died with Hank, really. But ,in the end and unlike after Hank had just been killed - a result of Jesse running to the cops in Walts' mind, Walt still cared about Jesse. Walt acknowledged who he was, what he had done wrong, who he had become and what he had to do to make things as right as possible. And he did that, then he died.

[SHOW]

Yeah, Walt changed drastically there at the end. There were months and months in between the time that he was in the desert, and then when they had the shootout at the Nazi compound. And in those months, Walt was stripped of all of his power, came to terms with all the horrible [expletive] he'd done, and was really close to dying of cancer anyway. That moment he had with Skyler was HUGE- where she assumed he was going to say "I did it for the family", but instead he fessed up to doing it for himself. There was no point at any other time in the series that he would've said that.

And I absolutely believe that his intention was to save Jesse's life. I doubt he knew he'd take a bullet for him, though.

[SHOW]

That moment with Skyler was great.

I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And. I was...really...I was alive.

Boom. Exactly why everyone was rooting for him.

[JL21]

[SHOW]

Boom. Exactly why everyone was rooting for him.

[SHOW]

Well... that, plus he was fighting Nazis.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

Ha. Yeah, I kind of meant overall though. Back at the beginning when he got everyone on his side.

Went from being a schmo to a kingpin and that's something I think everyone has the desire to not necessarily do, but to feel. That flashback when Walt was in his house to Hank mocking him about coming for a ride along on a drug bust to 'get some excitement in (his) life' was great.

The transformation from being almost abused and overlooked to being alive and powerful was great and it seems everyone kind of not necessarily respected him for what his actions were but the transformation he made...and that's why he was loved, imo.

[JL21]

He was very easy to get behind early on, without a doubt. Beating the [expletive] out of that high schooler who was making fun of Junior, blowing up the douchebag's car in the gas station parking lot... He was straight-up a hero at that point.

[Vidor]

BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HUELL?!

FOR REAL!

He would have left the room when the news broke about Walt, of course.

[ghostrunner]

Read/listened to some interesting (and mild) criticism that everything tied up a little too neatly, and the suggestion that either Granite State or Ozymandias could have been finales themselves. This was both on Alan Sepinwall and Andy Greenwald's podcasts. I think I agree somewhat. Also mention of how little Jesse there was this season, and in the finale. At least in terms of lines and dialogue between him and Walter. I do agree there - not that Jesse had much more to say, but that his overall story this season just wasn't that good. So glad there wasn't huge pressure from AMC to do more seasons.

Sepinwall was also talking about the Shield finale and how good that was - I had quit on that after season 4 or so. Just thought it got too ridiculous, with Vic always spontaneously finding his way out of situations. But I may give it another go now. I'm also more of a Walton Goggins fan than I used to be.

[go birds]

criticism is certainly warranted because no show is going to be perfect, but BB's finale was about as perfect as you could possibly get.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

criticism is certainly warranted because no show is going to be perfect, but BB's finale was about as perfect as you could possibly get.

I was one that thought they could have ended it after Ozymandias. Certainly the plot was laid out, but there were certainly a few surprises left and the ending didn't disappoint.