TV Thread - beware, [expletive] can get spoilery

[cardinalkarp]

She realized what he was doing halfway into the call, which is why she dropped the harsh tone and said "sorry."

You do realize Walt

[SHOW]

Kidnapped his own daughter, right? This isn't some genius yet diabolical mastermind anymore. He went insane. Went from just wanting a quick, painless death for Jesse to telling Jesse he watched Jane die just to torture him and allowing the skinheads to torture him as well. He may/may not have made that call to absolve Skyler on purpose, but it's quite a leap, imo, to say he went from being completely evil (torturing Jesse, wrestling Skyler, kidnapping Holly) to thoughtful and caring...especially when the tone and dialogue suggest 100% otherwise.

Again, this is why I hate stuff like this. Yeah, some people say it was his final act of love, all done to absolve skyler and make it easier for her to live the rest of her life...as [expletive] up as it may be. Others say he is just pure evil. Which is it? I don't know, it's not real, so unless the producer tells you, you'll never be 100% certain.

[SHOW]

you didn't think that him fighting back tears near the end of the call was Walt realizing how much damage he has done to everyone he once cared for?

[Secret Weapon]

She realized what he was doing halfway into the call, which is why she dropped the harsh tone and said "sorry."

You do realize Walt

[SHOW]

Kidnapped his own daughter, right? This isn't some genius yet diabolical mastermind anymore. He went insane. Went from just wanting a quick, painless death for Jesse to telling Jesse he watched Jane die just to torture him and allowing the skinheads to torture him as well. He may/may not have made that call to absolve Skyler on purpose, but it's quite a leap, imo, to say he went from being completely evil (torturing Jesse, wrestling Skyler, kidnapping Holly) to thoughtful and caring...especially when the tone and dialogue suggest 100% otherwise.

Again, this is why I hate stuff like this. Yeah, some people say it was his final act of love, all done to absolve skyler and make it easier for her to live the rest of her life...as [expletive] up as it may be. Others say he is just pure evil. Which is it? I don't know, it's not real, so unless the producer tells you, you'll never be 100% certain.

[SHOW]

i honestly cant believe there is so much confusion over the purpose of this scene. it was obviously his attempt to take all of the blame: "i told you if you crossed me there would be consequences," "i told you and told you to keep your mouth shut," "what the hell do you know about it anyway, nothing, i built this, it was me alone, nobody else," "tow the line or you will end up like hank." none of that stuff is really even true but this all gives skyler a plausible defense that she was being threatened by a monster and would give her an explanation to why she could not go to the police earlier.

this is what makes the scene so excrutiating. he is in tears at the end because he still loves his family, but now will forever be hated by his son because of that call to help them. at least skyler knows the truth and can appreciate what he is doing for them. and yes, vince gilligan has confirmed this while talking about the scene on a podcast. he mentioned how great of an actor cranston is to convey such hurt and tears in his face while keeping a stern tone on the phone to be convincing to the police.

btw he did not really attack skyler earlier, he just tried to get the knife from her after she had slashed him.

[Schlich]

She realized what he was doing halfway into the call, which is why she dropped the harsh tone and said "sorry."

You do realize Walt

[SHOW]

Kidnapped his own daughter, right? This isn't some genius yet diabolical mastermind anymore. He went insane. Went from just wanting a quick, painless death for Jesse to telling Jesse he watched Jane die just to torture him and allowing the skinheads to torture him as well. He may/may not have made that call to absolve Skyler on purpose, but it's quite a leap, imo, to say he went from being completely evil (torturing Jesse, wrestling Skyler, kidnapping Holly) to thoughtful and caring...especially when the tone and dialogue suggest 100% otherwise.

Again, this is why I hate stuff like this. Yeah, some people say it was his final act of love, all done to absolve skyler and make it easier for her to live the rest of her life...as [expletive] up as it may be. Others say he is just pure evil. Which is it? I don't know, it's not real, so unless the producer tells you, you'll never be 100% certain.

[SHOW]

i honestly cant believe there is so much confusion over the purpose of this scene. it was obviously his attempt to take all of the blame: "i told you if you crossed me there would be consequences," "i told you and told you to keep your mouth shut," "what the hell do you know about it anyway, nothing, i built this, it was me alone, nobody else," "tow the line or you will end up like hank." none of that stuff is really even true but this all gives skyler a plausible defense that she was being threatened by a monster and would give her an explanation to why she could not go to the police earlier.

this is what makes the scene so excrutiating. he is in tears at the end because he still loves his family, but now will forever be hated by his son because of that call to help them. at least skyler knows the truth and can appreciate what he is doing for them. and yes, vince gilligan has confirmed this while talking about the scene on a podcast. he mentioned how great of an actor cranston is to convey such hurt and tears in his face while keeping a stern tone on the phone to be convincing to the police.

btw he did not really attack skyler earlier, he just tried to get the knife from her after she had slashed him.

[SHOW]

I certainly hope that at some point Skylar can explain all this to Junior... once she is sure she's safe.

[Secret Weapon]

[SHOW]

I certainly hope that at some point Skylar can explain all this to Junior... once she is sure she's safe.

[SHOW]

i mean walt offered to give up all of his 80 million dollars and go to prison in an attempt to save hank, yet now he has to make everyone think he is the one that killed him. that has gotta suck pretty bad.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

I'm not going to fight the masses here. But...

[SHOW]

I'm not 100% on board with that entire thing being set up solely to get skyler off the hook. I think a lot of it was real anger. Here's a review from Rolling Stones that is a better counter than I care to pen.

But look at Walt's eyes, his facial expressions, his body language, when he's giving that harangue. He only starts choking up just before he brings up Hank's death, taking "credit" for the murder that sent him over the edge in the first place. His contempt for Skyler, his rage at her perceived insubordination, his fury at not having spent his entire life being treated like the king of kings – that's all very real. That's the emotional landscape of a man who'd steal his own child, who'd give his blessing to the torture of a poor sap he once thought of as a son.

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[go birds]

I'm not going to fight the masses here. But...

[SHOW]

I'm not 100% on board with that entire thing being set up solely to get skyler off the hook. I think a lot of it was real anger. Here's a review from Rolling Stones that is a better counter than I care to pen.

But look at Walt's eyes, his facial expressions, his body language, when he's giving that harangue. He only starts choking up just before he brings up Hank's death, taking "credit" for the murder that sent him over the edge in the first place. His contempt for Skyler, his rage at her perceived insubordination, his fury at not having spent his entire life being treated like the king of kings – that's all very real. That's the emotional landscape of a man who'd steal his own child, who'd give his blessing to the torture of a poor sap he once thought of as a son.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news ... z2fAxLigAq
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rolling stone is liberal bs

[ghostrunner]

[SHOW]

I think he's definitely pissed, but I don't think he's been solely evil or thoughtful and caring at any point. I don't get the idea that he took Holly intentionally to get the cops involved, but had second thoughts and then saw a way to get his family off the hook. I think there's no way he would have believed there weren't cops there.

[33anda3rd]

Skyler was written as unsympathetic and kind of [expletive] in the first season, really.

At the top, when she was the concerned wife who puts bacon into numbers on birthdays and whose husband was dying, disappearing, and telling a lot of lies, even though the lies all seemed of the little-white variety and in the name of "providing for my family after I'm gone" and who--surprise!--had an unwanted pregnancy and whose kleptomaniac sister got her in hot water with the law over a stolen diamond tiara I'd have been hard-pressed to look at her and think, man, this woman sucks. Especially when she was in the dark about not just the drugs but the cancer. There's probably some misogyny there in the internet response to her, but also some protagonist-siding, which is weird in a New Quality TV landscape where Tony Soprano, Don Draper and Walt White are the protagonists, and guys like what's his name on The Newsroom are the minority as lily-white choir boys occupying protagonist roles. I just realized I put Newsroom in with Sopranos, Mad Men, Breaking Bad. That's my bad.

But then the writers send Skyler on her own little journey into darkness. There's the affair with Ted, the cooking the books for Ted, the bailing out Ted, the lying about the "gambling winnings," the money laundering through the car wash, the keeping of all the drug cash, the (I'll spoiler the next since it's recent)

[SHOW]

making the video and sending it to Marie and Hank, the more or less telling Walt that he should kill Jessie

and after all that, well, I'll be damned if disliking this character at this point is misogyny.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

It is easy to forget that it was Skyler's idea to

[SHOW]

kill Jesse

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

I'm not going to fight the masses here. But...

[SHOW]

I'm not 100% on board with that entire thing being set up solely to get skyler off the hook. I think a lot of it was real anger. Here's a review from Rolling Stones that is a better counter than I care to pen.

But look at Walt's eyes, his facial expressions, his body language, when he's giving that harangue. He only starts choking up just before he brings up Hank's death, taking "credit" for the murder that sent him over the edge in the first place. His contempt for Skyler, his rage at her perceived insubordination, his fury at not having spent his entire life being treated like the king of kings – that's all very real. That's the emotional landscape of a man who'd steal his own child, who'd give his blessing to the torture of a poor sap he once thought of as a son.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news ... z2fAxLigAq
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

rolling stone is liberal bs

ha.