bob thrill wrote:Everybody acts like Ned Stark was the best guy ever, but he saddled all of his kids with some weird baggage and slavish, self-destructive standards of honor and morality. All the Starks need to lighten up.
The best guy ever, in comparison to everyone else in the world.
I read (and by 'read' I mean 'listened to' but that sounds lame) the first book and didn't feel like continuing. It looked like it was all going to be pretty depressing without much redemption (and lots of really creepy sex), and that's why I'm not watching the show either.
Ned becomes stunningly honorable once you prescribe to the major secret conspiracy that's very likely true - Jon isn't his son. The Rhaegar+Lyanna=Jon argument chances so much of the whole story. Ned and Cats whole relationship. Ned let her hate Jon and hold it over Ned,bjust because he promised Lyanna on her deathbed. Lyanna didn't want Rhaegars son to die on the iron throne, so she and Ned (and a few others) kept the biggest secret in the kingdom to save a life. Jons the son of the heir to the Targaryen throne. This will all come to a head in book 7, most likely, when Dany/fake Aegon/Jon are all suddenly Targaryens with a claim. Write faster, GRRM.
This is far enough off tv topic that book nerds should just PM-chat, to limit curious TV peeps seeing all this speculation.
The Twins is in a formidable defensive position and Frey has like 83 children and grandchildren. You don't wanna make an enemy out of a friend if you don't have too.
Defensive, but Frey would be ont he offensive. Isn't Winterfell pretty formidable defensively, too? If Frey, psychotic or not, 83 Grandkids or none, is that pissed Robb's not banging is hideous offspring, wouldn't he be the one attacking?
I understand why you don't wanna make an enemy out of a friend if you can avoid it, but there's a difference between telling the Swiss their watches suck and sitting back waiting on them and trying to march in and take Switzerland.
The Twins is in a formidable defensive position and Frey has like 83 children and grandchildren. You don't wanna make an enemy out of a friend if you don't have too.
Defensive, but Frey would be ont he offensive. Isn't Winterfell pretty formidable defensively, too? If Frey, psychotic or not, 83 Grandkids or none, is that pissed Robb's not banging is hideous offspring, wouldn't he be the one attacking?
I understand why you don't wanna make an enemy out of a friend if you can avoid it, but there's a difference between telling the Swiss their watches suck and sitting back waiting on them and trying to march in and take Switzerland.
The Twins is a major crossing of a huge river that runs between the eastern part of the island and the western part. If Frey closes the crossing, Robb will be trapped between that river and Casterly Rock. It would ruin his ability to attack the Lannisters in the East. That's why he agreed to the marriage in the first place. The Twins is very important strategically.
The Twins is a major crossing of a huge river that runs between the eastern part of the island and the western part. If Frey closes the crossing, Robb will be trapped between that river and Casterly Rock. It would ruin his ability to attack the Lannisters in the East. That's why he agreed to the marriage in the first place. The Twins is very important strategically.
Aye, I understood he needed it to attack to save some time and get the hell to King's Landing. The maps make it look like he could go 'around' The Twins to get home. So assuming he lives to make it there, does Frey have a large enough army to challenge the Stark's? I think that was my original question - is Frey that scary? He seemed like and old codger with good real estate and not much else.
The Twins is a major crossing of a huge river that runs between the eastern part of the island and the western part. If Frey closes the crossing, Robb will be trapped between that river and Casterly Rock. It would ruin his ability to attack the Lannisters in the East. That's why he agreed to the marriage in the first place. The Twins is very important strategically.
Aye, I understood he needed it to attack to save some time and get the hell to King's Landing. The maps make it look like he could go 'around' The Twins to get home. So assuming he lives to make it there, does Frey have a large enough army to challenge the Stark's? I think that was my original question - is Frey that scary? He seemed like and old codger with good real estate and not much else.
Longhorn knows what's going to happen, so if you guys are going to continue the conversation about why Walder Frey is dangerous, it's going to become apparent, no matter how subtly longhorn frames it, that you can't continue the conversation without spoilers, so if you want to know, take it to PM's or read the book. Otherwise just wait and see what happens.
bob thrill wrote:Longhorn knows what's going to happen, so if you guys are going to continue the conversation about why Walder Frey is dangerous, it's going to become apparent, no matter how subtly longhorn frames it, that you can't continue the conversation without spoilers, so if you want to know, take it to PM's or read the book. Otherwise just wait and see what happens.
Gotcha. I didn't know if I had missed something. I didn't know if Robbotis had read the books as well and he was the one who mentioned it.
Aye, I understood he needed it to attack to save some time and get the hell to King's Landing. The maps make it look like he could go 'around' The Twins to get home. So assuming he lives to make it there, does Frey have a large enough army to challenge the Stark's? I think that was my original question - is Frey that scary? He seemed like and old codger with good real estate and not much else.
The Twins is a major crossing of a huge river that runs between the eastern part of the island and the western part. If Frey closes the crossing, Robb will be trapped between that river and Casterly Rock. It would ruin his ability to attack the Lannisters in the East. That's why he agreed to the marriage in the first place. The Twins is very important strategically.
Aye, I understood he needed it to attack to save some time and get the hell to King's Landing. The maps make it look like he could go 'around' The Twins to get home. So assuming he lives to make it there, does Frey have a large enough army to challenge the Stark's? I think that was my original question - is Frey that scary? He seemed like and old codger with good real estate and not much else.
Longhorn knows what's going to happen, so if you guys are going to continue the conversation about why Walder Frey is dangerous, it's going to become apparent, no matter how subtly longhorn frames it, that you can't continue the conversation without spoilers, so if you want to know, take it to PM's or read the book. Otherwise just wait and see what happens.
