The Trayvon Martin shooting

[wart57]

You mean the kid was unarmed? But I thought all black people had guns.

[ghostrunner]

Not sure how they claim to know, but the police are claiming the "Help" on the 911 call was coming from Zimmerman. Still doesn't add up of course. He's got a shotgun, the kid doesn't. And he admits the kid was walking away on the 911 call.

[vinsanity]

Not sure how they claim to know, but the police are claiming the "Help" on the 911 call was coming from Zimmerman. Still doesn't add up of course. He's got a shotgun, the kid doesn't. And he admits the kid was walking away on the 911 call.

I thought it was a 9mm? I'm more concerned with the 911 Operator saying don't follow him and then following him though.

Zimmerman is not a small man. Martin is. If a big ole white dude is following me around in a car, then hops out and starts shouting at me I'd be a little scared too.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

Not sure how they claim to know, but the police are claiming the "Help" on the 911 call was coming from Zimmerman. Still doesn't add up of course. He's got a shotgun, the kid doesn't. And he admits the kid was walking away on the 911 call.

I thought it was a 9mm? I'm more concerned with the 911 Operator saying don't follow him and then following him though.

Zimmerman is not a small man. Martin is. If a big ole white dude is following me around in a car, then hops out and starts shouting at me I'd be a little scared too.

And, per the article that ghost posted earlier, in this case even if there were a scuffle, it appears Martin had every right to 'stand his ground' and not run away nor did he have any obligation to answer Zimmerman. So, in almost any case, if (and it appears this way) Zimmerman made the initial contact and was the agressor, Martin had the right to defend himself (not that he necessarily did).

[doe_boy]

Stand your ground really only works if you have a gun.

How can you 'stand your ground' without a gun if the aggressor has one?

Also, if you had a gun and the aggressor didn't, why would your aggressor continue to come after you?

And, even if both parties have guns but are not being directly observed, who is to conclude who the aggressor is/was?

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

Stand your ground really only works if you have a gun.

How can you 'stand your ground' without a gun if the aggressor has one?

By not running?

And, even if both parties have guns but are not being directly observed, who is to conclude who the aggressor is/was?

In this case doesn't it seem pretty clear?

[doe_boy]

By not running?

So Martin tried to defend himself and was shot by Zimmerman.

In this case doesn't it seem pretty clear?

If Martin had been armed and had shot Zimmerman, who would have believed his claims of self defense?

[heyzeus]

Whomever survives, gets to claim they "stood their ground" and acted in self defense.

If there are any witnesses to dispute that, you can just shoot them too, and claim that was also standing your ground.

Great law there, Florida.

[longhornbaseball]

Whomever survives, gets to claim they "stood their ground" and acted in self defense.

So the other person doesn't need to be armed for you to make this claim?

[longhornbaseball]

He said "f*cking coons" on the 911 call.

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