Socnorb11 wrote:I love Rose, but he's far from flawless, from a personal standpoint.
Jeez, if you are going to judge every 18-year old like that, let me know when you find someone who isn't tainted by poor judgment.
I don't judge him for it. I think he's fine. I just don't think we should make him the poster child of everything that is right in the NBA, while we judge every other player for their mistakes. I'm not sure when we lowered the standard of what we label as "good behavior". He hasn't made the mistakes on the level of Kobe or Lebron or Iverson........ but he's also still very young. Those players were "saints" when they were his age, as well.
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Socnorb11 wrote:I love Rose, but he's far from flawless, from a personal standpoint.
Jeez, if you are going to judge every 18-year old like that, let me know when you find someone who isn't tainted by poor judgment.
I don't judge him for it. I think he's fine. I just don't think we should make him the poster child of everything that is right in the NBA, while we judge every other player for their mistakes. I'm not sure when we lowered the standard of what we label as "good behavior". He hasn't made the mistakes on the level of Kobe or Lebron or Iverson........ but he's also still very young. Those players were "saints" when they were his age, as well.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Iverson was ever thought of as a saint. I was thinking there were issues with him in high school already. Still one of my favorites though.
Edit - Yeah, there was this.
It appeared that Iverson's promise to someday buy his mother a red Corvette would go unfulfilled after the seventeen-year-old was arrested on February 14, 1993 for being involved in a mob scene at a local bowling alley. Iverson was hanging out with friends when a confrontation quickly developed into a large brawl divided along racial lines. Accused of throwing a chair that hit a woman, knocking her unconscious, Iverson was charged and tried as an adult. Although he had no previous criminal record, he was sentenced to five years in prison and denied bail pending an appeal. Of approximately fifty people involved in the incident, only four arrests were made; all four were black, causing accusations of racism. Iverson, who denies any direct involvement in the incident, spent four months in prison before being granted conditional release by the governor of Virginia. Two years later the conviction was overturned in a state appeals court due to insufficient evidence, and the crime was stricken from Iverson's record.
Leroy wrote:
I could be wrong, but I don't think Iverson was ever thought of as a saint. I was thinking there were issues with him in high school already. Still one of my favorites though.
When he was 17, he hit a woman over the head with a chair and was convicted as an adult for maiming by mob during a brawl at a bowling alley. He was sentenced to 15 year sentence, knocked down to 5 since he was a minor tried as an adult and only served 5 months after being given clemency by the Governor and winning an appeal on lack of evidence.
So yeah, there were issues. Socnorb, you're over your skis on that one.
Leroy wrote:
I could be wrong, but I don't think Iverson was ever thought of as a saint. I was thinking there were issues with him in high school already. Still one of my favorites though.
When he was 17, he hit a woman over the head with a chair and was convicted as an adult for maiming by mob during a brawl at a bowling alley. He was sentenced to 15 year sentence, knocked down to 5 since he was a minor tried as an adult and only served 5 months after being given clemency by the Governor and winning an appeal on lack of evidence.
So yeah, there were issues. Socnorb, you're over your skis on that one.
Iverson was a bad example. I would imagine there are a gazillion examples of players who have a pretty fair history coming into the NBA, though.
Leroy wrote:
I could be wrong, but I don't think Iverson was ever thought of as a saint. I was thinking there were issues with him in high school already. Still one of my favorites though.
When he was 17, he hit a woman over the head with a chair and was convicted as an adult for maiming by mob during a brawl at a bowling alley. He was sentenced to 15 year sentence, knocked down to 5 since he was a minor tried as an adult and only served 5 months after being given clemency by the Governor and winning an appeal on lack of evidence.
So yeah, there were issues. Socnorb, you're over your skis on that one.
Iverson was a bad example. I would imagine there are a gazillion examples of players who have a pretty fair history coming into the NBA, though.
Your main point was totally valid though. I was trying to get at that earlier. Everyone loves Derrick now because he's new and has had really positive press about his leadership and humility. At some point, he'll either disappoint everyone by messing up or he'll become boring like Tim Duncan and the public will turn on him.
More recently, he failed to show up for a filming that he had promised to do for CBS. I'm not sure if there ever was an explanation for that.
I'm not knocking the kid...... lord knows there are far worse things that what he's done. But his behavior has been a little questionable from time to time.
I still think he's awesome. I just view him a little differently than some others here.
