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The amount of TLR loathing is getting downright CT-esque.

I want Pinacle to write the message we'll fly.

Cronos69 wrote:I want Pinacle to write the message we'll fly.

Well, it may wind up a mile long.

sighyoung wrote:

Cronos69 wrote:I want Pinacle to write the message we'll fly.

Well, it may wind up a mile long.

And it would end up being about RC12 instead of Tony.

Joe Shlabotnik wrote:The amount of TLR loathing is getting downright CT-esque.

Considering the average poster at GRB is probably more knowledgeable and more informed than the average CT poster, that speaks volumes about the year dontcha think?

longhornbaseball wrote:

Joe Shlabotnik wrote:The amount of TLR loathing is getting downright CT-esque.

Considering the average poster at GRB is probably more knowledgeable and more informed than the average CT poster, that speaks volumes about the year dontcha think?

I guess I don't understand how y'all can put so much of this year of TLR. Did he kill Hancock? Did he screw up Carp's arm or Mulder's rehab? Sometimes [expletive] happens you know. Roll with it people.

Joe Shlabotnik wrote:

longhornbaseball wrote:

Joe Shlabotnik wrote:The amount of TLR loathing is getting downright CT-esque.

Considering the average poster at GRB is probably more knowledgeable and more informed than the average CT poster, that speaks volumes about the year dontcha think?

I guess I don't understand how y'all can put so much of this year of TLR. Did he kill Hancock? Did he screw up Carp's arm or Mulder's rehab? Sometimes [expletive] happens you know. Roll with it people.

I sit halfway in-between you and the rest here. There's absolutely no denying that he's had to deal with a tremendous amount of extraneous circumstances this year, and there's also no denying that the extraneous circumstances have played a huge role in where the team is right now. A healthy Duncan, a full year of Carp, Hancock in the 'pen, Rolen and Edmonds playing like Rolen and Edmonds, Encarnacion not losing his season (and career?) to a freak injury.... none of that stuff happens and it's reasonable to assume that this team is close to first place right now, if not comfortably there. That stuff accounts for about 95% of why the team is where it is, and the actual in-game decisions of TLR are pretty much minimal (as are most managers, no matter how much we like to whine and scrutinize).

However, that doesn't mean that LaRussa is above criticism. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't have intelligent banter on this forum about the way he manages or his in-game decisions. That's what this place is for. As long as there isn't hyperbole, or personal attacks on other posters, I see nothing wrong with it.

Trust me... I saw The Faction in action first-hand. I was a member of CT when they flew that banner. Comparing the discussion here to what was going on with the Faction would be like comparing 'Bambi' to the Saw series.

RC21 wrote:

Joe Shlabotnik wrote:

longhornbaseball wrote:

Joe Shlabotnik wrote:The amount of TLR loathing is getting downright CT-esque.

Considering the average poster at GRB is probably more knowledgeable and more informed than the average CT poster, that speaks volumes about the year dontcha think?

I guess I don't understand how y'all can put so much of this year of TLR. Did he kill Hancock? Did he screw up Carp's arm or Mulder's rehab? Sometimes [expletive] happens you know. Roll with it people.

I sit halfway in-between you and the rest here. There's absolutely no denying that he's had to deal with a tremendous amount of extraneous circumstances this year, and there's also no denying that the extraneous circumstances have played a huge role in where the team is right now. A healthy Duncan, a full year of Carp, Hancock in the 'pen, Rolen and Edmonds playing like Rolen and Edmonds, Encarnacion not losing his season (and career?) to a freak injury.... none of that stuff happens and it's reasonable to assume that this team is close to first place right now, if not comfortably there. That stuff accounts for about 95% of why the team is where it is, and the actual in-game decisions of TLR are pretty much minimal (as are most managers, no matter how much we like to whine and scrutinize).

However, that doesn't mean that LaRussa is above criticism. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't have intelligent banter on this forum about the way he manages or his in-game decisions. That's what this place is for. As long as there isn't hyperbole, or personal attacks on other posters, I see nothing wrong with it.

Trust me... I saw The Faction in action first-hand. I was a member of CT when they flew that banner. Comparing the discussion here to what was going on with the Faction would be like comparing 'Bambi' to the Saw series.

Applause.

Honestly, I haven't seen any irrational TLR-bashing. I've seen a lot of criticism, but with a team in this situation, it's necessary to examine everything, including Tony's decisions and leadership. And honestly, I'm not sure if it's a good fit anymore. He's a great manager, and will be a great manager next year. But as we saw, say, with Whitey, sometimes there is a personnel and management situation where a good manager doesn't fit in a productive way. I'm starting to feel like this might be the case. Tony is cranky, he's agitated, and I think it might be affecting his managerial strategy. I read his comments to sometimes express doubt as to the viability of the team and his role in it. This is not a good thing for leadership to do. It might be time to move on.

If flying another banner means a trip to the WS next year like it did last time, I'm all for it