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Giancarlo Stanton trade development: Source says #Marlins likely would accept offer of Panik, Beede and Shaw for Stanton alone -- if #SFGiants committed to paying at least $250 million of the $295 million left on Stanton’s contract. @MLB @MLBNetwork

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Sources: Giancarlo Stanton has not given formal word to #Marlins that he would accept trade to #SFGiants, but officials involved in talks are optimistic that he ultimately will. @MLBNetwork @MLB

According to Jon Morosi of MLB Network, the Marlins "likely would accept" an offer of Joe Panik, Tyler Beede, and Chris Shaw from the Giants for Giancarlo Stanton.

Morosi adds the contingency that San Francisco would also have to assume $250 million of the $295 million remaining on Stanton's contract. There's a lot of detail to this latest report, which gives us the impression a deal might be close. Or perhaps it's a signal to other clubs in the running (like the Cardinals and Red Sox) that final, best offers need to be submitted. Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports wrote Thursday morning that the Yankees have spoken to the Marlins about a possible Stanton trade, but it sounds like the financials don't match up between those two clubs.

Nov 30 - 1:08 PM
Source: Jon Morosi on Twitt

if we don't beat that trade and eat 250 of 295 mil, then i don't know what to say...(that is, if he would come here obv)




also this...

One person with some Miami ties to Stanton suggested the 2017 NL MVP has concerns about the depth of the Giants and chances for a turnover after their 64-98 season (way worse than even the Marlins), and the new belief is that Stanton would most like to see where the rival Dodgers stand first, before seriously weighing the other interested teams, including the Giants.

https://www.fanragsports.com/heyman-gia ... o-stanton/

JL21 wrote:Just to reference the types of guys who become available via FA or trade this time of year, with the way the market has trended the last few years, I'll point back to this post.

Quick summary if you don't want to read it... Here's a list of guys who could reasonably be expected to be 3+ WAR guys, traded the last 3 off-seasons:

Before 2015: Upton, Heyward, Josh Donaldson

Before 2016: Andrelton Simmons, Todd Frazier

Before 2017: Sale, Eaton

And via free agency:

Before 2015: Max Scherzer.
Russell Martin was right on the cusp at 2.85. That's the list.

Before 2016: Heyward, Greinke, Price, Jordan Zimmermann, Johnny Cueto, Justin Upton.
Ian Desmond hit 2.85.

Before 2017: None.
Josh Reddick was closest at 2.88, then Encarnacion was there at 2.6, and then it falls all the way down to 2.29.

14 guys over 3 seasons with reasonable 3+ WAR expectations. And many of those serve as cautionary tales, like Heyward, Price, Zimmermann...

I mean, you're completely right that you're going to get a small list with how tightly operated front offices are lately. I don't think I'd have any compunction to acquiring Yelich if our needs were different in any direction. But we *just* signed Fowler, who is basically Yelich with age and less upside, we just saw Pham potentially make an MVP type statement (admittedly he's the biggest mystery box on the planet for us, and it causes me panic to depend on him), and saw Jose Martinez put up close to a 900 OPS. Why would we trade for a consolation prize that is more or less an asset we can reproduce? I'd rather we trade for Abreu and ship some of the redundancy at the corners to the White Sox than settle for Miami's seconds. That's just my take and I can see why people like Yelich, but he seems redundant on this roster.

I like most of what has already been posted about Yelich. Keep in mind where he plays, too. Yes, Elvis Andrus hit 20 HR's. But, he did that playing in the second best hitters park in the game last year. Yelich hit 18 in the 3rd worst hitters park in the game. So, not even close to an even comparison.

cardsfantx wrote:@jonmorosi

Giancarlo Stanton trade development: Source says #Marlins likely would accept offer of Panik, Beede and Shaw for Stanton alone -- if #SFGiants committed to paying at least $250 million of the $295 million left on Stanton’s contract. @MLB @MLBNetwork

Can I be the first to say it?

We ABSOLUTELY should be able to beat the Giants offer if all we have to do is pick up at least $250M of Stanton's contract.

If the Marlins are willing to pick up nearly $50M in salary, then there's no reason Stanton shouldn't be a Cardinals (unless he just flat out rejects us).

Count me in on Yely.

Fat Strat wrote:

cardsfantx wrote:@jonmorosi

Giancarlo Stanton trade development: Source says #Marlins likely would accept offer of Panik, Beede and Shaw for Stanton alone -- if #SFGiants committed to paying at least $250 million of the $295 million left on Stanton’s contract. @MLB @MLBNetwork

Can I be the first to say it?

We ABSOLUTELY should be able to beat the Giants offer if all we have to do is pick up at least $250M of Stanton's contract.

If the Marlins are willing to pick up nearly $50M in salary, then there's no reason Stanton shouldn't be a Cardinals (unless he just flat out rejects us).

i already said it in my post you quoted lol

misterManager wrote:

phins wrote:
I simply do not understand how fans do not seem to think Yelich is a star. He's quite honestly a guy with a chance at the HOF if he unlocks his power more with a swing change to get more fly balls. As is, he's an All-Star level player in his prime.

It's the reactionary though-process that goes into having WAR as a public stat. You aren't wrong that he's a good player, but WAR comes in different ways and with Yelich it's not too hard to see it's coming from defense and walks. Do the Cardinals need someone who can be counted on to put up 5 wins or more for the next half-decade - obviously. But if things break right we have MCarp and Pham and Fowler to do that. I want a guy whose floor is 5 wins and who is going to have the potential to put up way more, and do it all on his merits at the plate. That's not Yelich. Yelich is not our biggest need. A power bat is our biggest need. He's pretty much M-Carp in center to my eyes.

I agree with a lot of this. Yelich seems like an awesome guy to have as like your 3rd best hitter in the lineup but pretty underwhelming as your best. That sounds a lot like what we already have.

So... full disclosure, I'm not fully advocating for Yelich- certainly not over Stanton or Donaldson. But my hangup is more about asking price than anything else. The Marlins are going to want something in the realm of the return for Eaton, maybe even more. And as much as I'd love to see Yelich roaming the Busch III outfield for the next four years, that's a huge asking price.

As for the other stuff...

-Martinez was great as a 4th OFer and backup 1B. I'm bullish on his future, but that just means... "I think he can keep producing as a good bench guy", not "He's better to have around than Yelich"

-Pham basically just did what Yelich has done a bunch of times (admittedly, slightly better from Pham), but Yelich is younger, has more potential to get better, doesn't have the weird eye thing like Pham... Yelich is a younger, more reliable version of Pham and instead of asking "Can he continue to be that productive?", the question is "Can he actually get better?"

-Fowler is kind of the same deal. He really shouldn't be a CFer any longer, and he has some injury concerns. Nothing major (yet) but mild concerns. And he's much older than Yelich, and Good Fowler™ is... well, what Yelich already is and has been.

But really, acquiring Yelich and keeping Pham/Fowler are not mutually exclusive events. It's not even mutually exclusive with Martinez. You can have all of those guys.

cardsfantx wrote:also this...

One person with some Miami ties to Stanton suggested the 2017 NL MVP has concerns about the depth of the Giants and chances for a turnover after their 64-98 season (way worse than even the Marlins), and the new belief is that Stanton would most like to see where the rival Dodgers stand first, before seriously weighing the other interested teams, including the Giants.

This is the problem with the Giants as a viable candidate, in my opinion. They have to give up a lot to get Stanton and they're already worse than the Marlins. He'd be going from one coastal city rebuild to another. That feels like a change of scenery for no reason. St. Louis has the ready-to-compete MLB roster and the minor league depth to acquire Stanton that doesn't dramatically cripple the club's ability to compete in the long term. The money, the competitive roster, and the depth; it really is the perfect fit for all parties.

Meanwhile, Los Angeles is already a near World Series winning club. If you can add Stanton without messing with what is working for you, great. But I don't see the economics adding up for them. There have to be easier ways to improve and capitalize on the Clayton Kershaw World Series window.

JL21 wrote:So... full disclosure, I'm not fully advocating for Yelich- certainly not over Stanton or Donaldson. But my hangup is more about asking price than anything else. The Marlins are going to want something in the realm of the return for Eaton, maybe even more. And as much as I'd love to see Yelich roaming the Busch III outfield for the next four years, that's a huge asking price.

As for the other stuff...

-Martinez was great as a 4th OFer and backup 1B. I'm bullish on his future, but that just means... "I think he can keep producing as a good bench guy", not "He's better to have around than Yelich"

-Pham basically just did what Yelich has done a bunch of times (admittedly, slightly better from Pham), but Yelich is younger, has more potential to get better, doesn't have the weird eye thing like Pham... Yelich is a younger, more reliable version of Pham and instead of asking "Can he continue to be that productive?", the question is "Can he actually get better?"

-Fowler is kind of the same deal. He really shouldn't be a CFer any longer, and he has some injury concerns. Nothing major (yet) but mild concerns. And he's much older than Yelich, and Good Fowler™ is... well, what Yelich already is and has been.

But really, acquiring Yelich and keeping Pham/Fowler are not mutually exclusive events. It's not even mutually exclusive with Martinez. You can have all of those guys.

100% with you on this stuff, as well. My one quibble is the bolded statement--Pham blew Yelich's best season out of the water last year. OPS was ~200 points higher and they ostensibly (again the defensive metrics aren't too high on either guy FWIW) play the same position. That's really my one hangup is that we do have guys who can play CF already on the roster. Good discussion on it though and I agree it would not be bad to see Yelich in that outfield for his prime years.