Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[BW23]

Oh, so one side pushes their views but those that didn't want the changes should stand still.

gay rights really shouldnt be in question from the beginning though.

"all men are created equal"...seriously...does that mean anything?

What are the next words after that? Or are we ignoring the parts that point to how it's lined with Christianity?

[ghostrunner]

Oh, so one side pushes their views but those that didn't want the changes should stand still.

gay rights really shouldnt be in question from the beginning though.

"all men are created equal"...seriously...does that mean anything?

What are the next words after that? Or are we ignoring the parts that point to how it's lined with Christianity?

There's nothing about Christianity in there. Even if there were, there's nothing that says to exclude certain people from the same rights everyone else has.

[jim]

Oh, so one side pushes their views but those that didn't want the changes should stand still.

gay rights really shouldnt be in question from the beginning though.

"all men are created equal"...seriously...does that mean anything?

What are the next words after that? Or are we ignoring the parts that point to how it's lined with Christianity?

God - but not necessarily the Christian God.

[TimeForGuinness]

Oh, so one side pushes their views but those that didn't want the changes should stand still.

gay rights really shouldnt be in question from the beginning though.

"all men are created equal"...seriously...does that mean anything?

What are the next words after that? Or are we ignoring the parts that point to how it's lined with Christianity?

There's nothing about Christianity in there. Even if there were, there's nothing that says to exclude certain people from the same rights everyone else has.

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I'm guessing they used "Creator" as a generic term...for the whole Freedom of Religion part...

[Jocephus]

Oh, so one side pushes their views but those that didn't want the changes should stand still.

gay rights really shouldnt be in question from the beginning though.

"all men are created equal"...seriously...does that mean anything?

What are the next words after that? Or are we ignoring the parts that point to how it's lined with Christianity?

ok

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

i dont really see how its lined with christianity...but i do see that people are created equal and that all people should have rights and the right to pursue happiness

[BW23]

Oh, so one side pushes their views but those that didn't want the changes should stand still.

gay rights really shouldnt be in question from the beginning though.

"all men are created equal"...seriously...does that mean anything?

What are the next words after that? Or are we ignoring the parts that point to how it's lined with Christianity?

There's nothing about Christianity in there. Even if there were, there's nothing that says to exclude certain people from the same rights everyone else has.

Right. It's not law.

If gays want the same rights as married people, then take away anything related to marriage away from government. Anything and everything.

[heyzeus]

Oh, so one side pushes their views but those that didn't want the changes should stand still.

gay rights really shouldnt be in question from the beginning though.

"all men are created equal"...seriously...does that mean anything?

What are the next words after that? Or are we ignoring the parts that point to how it's lined with Christianity?

There's nothing about Christianity in there. Even if there were, there's nothing that says to exclude certain people from the same rights everyone else has.

Right. It's not law.

If gays want the same rights as married people, then take away anything related to marriage away from government. Anything and everything.

Isn't this an "I'm taking my ball and going home" approach to national policy?

[Popeye_Card]

Oh, so one side pushes their views but those that didn't want the changes should stand still.

gay rights really shouldnt be in question from the beginning though.

"all men are created equal"...seriously...does that mean anything?

What are the next words after that? Or are we ignoring the parts that point to how it's lined with Christianity?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

[jim]

BTW - the "All men are created equal" clause was coined by T.Jefferson - the champion of seperation of church and state. He didn't think much of what was in the bible was true - pretty radical for a guy of his times.

[Jocephus]

BTW - the "All men are created equal" clause was coined by T.Jefferson - the champion of seperation of church and state. He didn't think much of what was in the bible was true - pretty radical for a guy of his times.

he was banging his slaves!