Offical 2010 NFL Season Thread

[Fat Strat]

Did anybody really think the Matt Cassell pickup was a great idea?

I don't think so. I didn't like it much and thought he would make a decent stopgap until there was a good QB for them to draft, but couldn't believe the jack they gave the guy. I wanted them to give Croyle more time way back when.

They probably gave up too much for Cassel, but I thought it was a smart idea. It gave them a chance to bring in a developmental quarterback for a second round pick -- which, come on, that's a pretty hit or miss round for QB's -- who had already shown that he could be successful in this league. I don't want to make too much of his season in NE, but he did have a 90 QB rating there in his first full season as a starter.

Last year Cassell had an awful recieving core. He lost Bowe for 1/4 of the season and when he had him, the guy led the league in drops. He also had an awful offensive line and they changed offensive systems a week before the start of the regular season. I'm not necessarily defending him, only suggesting that his 70 rating this year is probably just as misleading as the 90 with NE. I think with a little better performance out of the O-line, a better running game (which was non-existent for the first half of last year) and some more consistent play out of his receivers, he'll be an average NFL QB.... that's pretty hard to find out of a 2nd round QB.

[vinsanity]

he'll be an average NFL QB.... that's pretty hard to find out of a 2nd round QB.

But they signed him 6/60 with $28M guaranteed. Clausen (2nd round) signed for 4 years at $2.5M. Colt McCoy(granted third round) got 4 years with only $1M guaranteed.

I think a second rounder for him was a good deal, but 6 years and almost $30M in guarantees seems a lil high.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think QB is too important a position to neglect during the rebuilding process. Cassel is probably never going to be an elite QB, and he may hamstring the team further down the line. But considering how low the team was, getting a mediocre to decent QB in the fold for several years(especially one like Cassel that has some upside) was a necessary evil in order to be able to build up the rest of the team. Football is too interdependent to expect to build an offense where the QB is the last piece.

[TheoSqua]

yeah the other option was Tyler Thigpen....

I'm not a huge Cassel fan, but he was worth a 2nd round pick

[Fat Strat]

he'll be an average NFL QB.... that's pretty hard to find out of a 2nd round QB.

But they signed him 6/60 with $28M guaranteed. Clausen (2nd round) signed for 4 years at $2.5M. Colt McCoy(granted third round) got 4 years with only $1M guaranteed.

Any of those guys already have a 90 QB rating season in the NFL? Did we know before trading for Cassel in '08 that those guys were going to be available in the 2nd round? Do we know even now that they would be better, safe bets than a guy who is also young and has also performed at a high level in the NFL already?

The move was as much about limiting risk as anything. Spending a high draft pick on a QB that doesn't pan out -- see Brody Croyle -- can set you back years.

I think a second rounder for him was a good deal, but 6 years and almost $30M in guarantees seems a lil high

This being the NFL and not MLB I think that the money on the contract is virtually irrelavant. We're not rebuilding through free agency; The Chiefs have plenty of money to throw around if they wanted to, but are building through the draft. They can release him at the end of the season and go in another direction if they choose and not bat an eye. It probably was too much money. I didn't really understand why they gave him that much, but it's virtually a non-issue issue for us.

[Fat Strat]

I think QB is too important a position to neglect during the rebuilding process. Cassel is probably never going to be an elite QB, and he may hamstring the team further down the line. But considering how low the team was, getting a mediocre to decent QB in the fold for several years(especially one like Cassel that has some upside) was a necessary evil in order to be able to build up the rest of the team. Football is too interdependent to expect to build an offense where the QB is the last piece.

That probably says what I think better than I could say it.

I've felt that if we end up sucking this year it will largely be becasue Cassel can't be a consistent performer. If that happens, we'll be right back where we've been -- drafting high in the 1st round and can snag his replacement.

That would be a setback, no doubt about it, but there's no guarantee it wouldn't have happened if we had used a 2nd round pick on a college QB.

[vinsanity]

he'll be an average NFL QB.... that's pretty hard to find out of a 2nd round QB.

But they signed him 6/60 with $28M guaranteed. Clausen (2nd round) signed for 4 years at $2.5M. Colt McCoy(granted third round) got 4 years with only $1M guaranteed.

Any of those guys already have a 90 QB rating season in the NFL? Did we know before trading for Cassel in '08 that those guys were going to be available in the 2nd round? Do we know even now that they would be better, safe bets than a guy who is also young and has also performed at a high level in the NFL already?

I guess I didn't mean either of them were better options, I just meant it was more than just a 2nd round pick. I'd trade a second round pick for a QB with any amount of professional success or moderate chance of success. That was shrewd and justified but,

They can release him at the end of the season and go in another direction if they choose and not bat an eye. It probably was too much money. I didn't really understand why they gave him that much, but it's virtually a non-issue issue for us.

I didn't know the money was so much of a non-issue. Like I said 2nd Rounder for Cassel? Great deal. 6 years and $30M guaranteed? A little more questionable - but if the cash isn't an issue, there's no problem with it. Cause I especially agree with:

The move was as much about limiting risk as anything. Spending a high draft pick on a QB that doesn't pan out -- see Brody Croyle -- can set you back years.

Alex Smith, David Carr, Jason Campbell, Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Tim Couch - I totally see where you're coming from on this. I'm not even sure Croyle - a third rounder - really specifically set them back, other than not performing well.

[cpebbles]

He posted a 90 rating, with a team that even sissyarmed Tom Brady posts a 100 to 120 rating with.

[Lesson]

he'll be an average NFL QB.... that's pretty hard to find out of a 2nd round QB.

But they signed him 6/60 with $28M guaranteed. Clausen (2nd round) signed for 4 years at $2.5M. Colt McCoy(granted third round) got 4 years with only $1M guaranteed.

I think a second rounder for him was a good deal, but 6 years and almost $30M in guarantees seems a lil high.

The reason why it was a 2nd is because Cassel was traded with Vrabel to KC, without Vrabel, it probably would have been a 3rd.

[lukethedrifter]

I don't care so much about the trade. It's more the contract and the idea that one good season should get KC so excited to get him based on what little he'd accomplished. It's like when the Lions gave whatshisname that big contract in the 90s.


I looked it up. Scott Mitchell.