BW23 wrote:And let's not kid ourselves trying to compare McCain or Palin's past relationship to those of Obama. It's not close.
I guess it depends on what you're looking for and what scares you. Palin's church and it's End of Days philosophy does it for me and it's not even close.
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The Wright commercial has been on twice already this morning. I'm glad this is all almost over.
Faceman wrote:I honestly feel bad for people who get so worked up over something they have no control over.
Chances are, neither Obama nor McCain will be the best or worst President we've ever had.
The country will go on either way.
Take a deep breath.
What is there to be afraid of?
We're probably going to have a Democrat president and a congress strongly controlled by the Democrats as well. This country could take a sharp turn hard left.
Speaking as a "hard" leftie, I assure you that that's impossible,
unless the term means something to you that is very, very different
from my understanding of my side of the political spectrum.
The worst that we get would be a second New Deal, and that would
be fantastic for the middle and lower classes.
I don't think he can carry it off, though.
no, its going to be very sharp...gays will be allowed to marry whom they want, there will be equal pay between the sexes, and african americans will be proud of what they have witnessed
all those nasty left wing issues will come to the open and ruin that 1950's lifestyle
Government will own our houses, black preachers will be in every church, God will be removed from everything, including the Bible and fetus hunting will be legalized.
Faceman wrote:I honestly feel bad for people who get so worked up over something they have no control over.
Chances are, neither Obama nor McCain will be the best or worst President we've ever had.
The country will go on either way.
Take a deep breath.
What is there to be afraid of?
We're probably going to have a Democrat president and a congress strongly controlled by the Democrats as well. This country could take a sharp turn hard left.
Speaking as a "hard" leftie, I assure you that that's impossible,
unless the term means something to you that is very, very different
from my understanding of my side of the political spectrum.
The worst that we get would be a second New Deal, and that would
be fantastic for the middle and lower classes.
I don't think he can carry it off, though.
no, its going to be very sharp...gays will be allowed to marry whom they want, there will be equal pay between the sexes, and african americans will be proud of what they have witnessed
all those nasty left wing issues will come to the open and ruin that 1950's lifestyle
Government will own our houses, black preachers will be in every church, God will be removed from everything, including the Bible and fetus hunting will be legalized.
BW23 wrote:And let's not kid ourselves trying to compare McCain or Palin's past relationship to those of Obama. It's not close.
I guess it depends on what you're looking for and what scares you. Palin's church and it's End of Days philosophy does it for me and it's not even close.
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The Wright commercial has been on twice already this morning. I'm glad this is all almost over.
I certainly disagree with things that go on in her church. As a matter of fact, I'd say I disagree about what goes on in about 99+% of churches. But we're still talking about a big difference in the two. One is based strongly in social issues based solely on race, hate and a redstribution of wealth. One is religion.
Which one is more dangerous, and which one has more of a chance in showing up in the way this person directs the country? I'll give you a hint...they're the same one. And it's the one belonging to the guy that's going to be president, not someone running for VP.
clement wrote: You're on the fringe ...., which is fine. It's nothing necessarily to be ashamed about.
It depends on how you get to the fringe. In some cases, it is absolutely shameful because it adds fuel to the hate and igorance I am deeply worried about in this country.
So if you don't vote for Obama you are full of hate and ignorance? I thought I knew you better than that....
I said fringe - not right or left. I said "In some cases", not all the time.
BW23 wrote:
I certainly disagree with things that go on in her church. As a matter of fact, I'd say I disagree about what goes on in about 99+% of churches. But we're still talking about a big difference in the two. One is based strongly in social issues based solely on race, hate and a redstribution of wealth. One is religion.
Which one is more dangerous, and which one has more of a chance in showing up in the way this person directs the country? I'll give you a hint...they're the same one. And it's the one belonging to the guy that's going to be president, not someone running for VP.
why dont you just say "that one"?
frankly, i dont consider obama or mccain to be religious at all...but a politician in this country, for some strange reason, must profess a love of faith (a christian faith)...i dont think either (john or barack) would force their faith on the country ('cause again, i dont think they care)...
but palin on the other hand...she scares the bejezus outta me
BW23 wrote:I certainly disagree with things that go on in her church. As a matter of fact, I'd say I disagree about what goes on in about 99+% of churches. But we're still talking about a big difference in the two. One is based strongly in social issues based solely on race, hate and a redstribution of wealth. One is religion.
It's terminology, not hate as I understand it, and Obama (along with a bunch of other people in the church) had problems with those remarks. And since you know a lot about black liberation theology, I'm curious where the actual redistribution of wealth thing is coming from, I'm assuming beyond social health programs.
BW23 wrote:And let's not kid ourselves trying to compare McCain or Palin's past relationship to those of Obama. It's not close.
I guess it depends on what you're looking for and what scares you. Palin's church and it's End of Days philosophy does it for me and it's not even close.
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The Wright commercial has been on twice already this morning. I'm glad this is all almost over.
I certainly disagree with things that go on in her church. As a matter of fact, I'd say I disagree about what goes on in about 99+% of churches. But we're still talking about a big difference in the two. One is based strongly in social issues based solely on race, hate and a redstribution of wealth. One is religion.
Which one is more dangerous, and which one has more of a chance in showing up in the way this person directs the country? I'll give you a hint...they're the same one. And it's the one belonging to the guy that's going to be president, not someone running for VP.
To those who benefit from the status quo, many things are "dangerous". Good thing Jesus has no place in social issues or racism.
If you really think its a Theology based on hatred (there is a difference between hatred and anger at injustice), then you haven't read enough Cone, or haven't made enough of an effort to read him or any liberation theology with an open mind.
