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Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

Posted: December 10 09, 6:25 pm
by epinephrine
Jocephus wrote:
Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Mets offered free agent outfielder Jason Bay a four-year contract worth roughly $65 million.
Bay turned down a similar contract from the Red Sox before hitting free agency, so the Mets would likely need to kick in another year to get a deal done. Interestingly, Heyman writes that the Mets didn't want to get into "protracted talks" for Matt Holliday, who could make up to $100 million this winter. The Mets are confident that Bay's pull-hitting style will translate to Citi Field, so it looks like they've finally made their preference known. Stay tuned.
Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter
Related: Mets
The market for left-fielders is on an absolute tear....

Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

Posted: December 11 09, 7:49 am
by Radio_Bugtussle
Michael wrote:
I agree, my only point is shamming owners is now Boras' best tactic, and it's worked in the past, so he's going to use it. I don't think DeWitt is going to fall for the pressure.
I'm with you. Current ownership has a pretty decent track record in getting deals done with this slimeball. Looks like DeWitt ignores the bluster and whining pretty well.

Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

Posted: December 11 09, 7:52 am
by TimeForGuinness
Radio_Bugtussle wrote:
Michael wrote:
I agree, my only point is shamming owners is now Boras' best tactic, and it's worked in the past, so he's going to use it. I don't think DeWitt is going to fall for the pressure.
I'm with you. Current ownership has a pretty decent track record in getting deals done with this slimeball. Looks like DeWitt ignores the bluster and whining pretty well.
He does that pretty well when his own fans get upset.

Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

Posted: December 11 09, 9:05 am
by Socnorb11
So, in simple terms, what do you do? Boras clearly isn't going to let Holliday sign a contract until the market is set by Bay (among others). So do you wait for Holliday, and risk missing out on Holliday and all of the other free agents, or do you start moving forward without Holliday.

IMO, it's a tough call for Mo, and I'm honestly not sure what my next move would be.

Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

Posted: December 11 09, 9:34 am
by Jocephus
According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Cardinals GM John Mozeliak met Thursday with Matt Holliday's agent, Scott Boras, but no offer was made.
"It was productive. We used our time well," Mozeliak said of the whole Winter Meetings experience. "We have a really good idea what the next step looks like." The Cardinals hope to come to a resolution with Holliday soon, one way or the other. They can't afford to wait around and let free agents sign elsewhere only to wind up Holliday-less and with many other holes come spring. The outfielder is thought to be seeking a contract well over $100M.
Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch

Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

Posted: December 11 09, 10:12 am
by AWvsCBsteeeerike3
Jocephus wrote:
According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Cardinals GM John Mozeliak met Thursday with Matt Holliday's agent, Scott Boras, but no offer was made.
"It was productive. We used our time well," Mozeliak said of the whole Winter Meetings experience. "We have a really good idea what the next step looks like." The Cardinals hope to come to a resolution with Holliday soon, one way or the other. They can't afford to wait around and let free agents sign elsewhere only to wind up Holliday-less and with many other holes come spring. The outfielder is thought to be seeking a contract well over $100M.
Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch
If it's just money he wants, give him an 8/140 type deal. That's not insane.

Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

Posted: December 11 09, 10:14 am
by AWvsCBsteeeerike3
Socnorb11 wrote:So, in simple terms, what do you do? Boras clearly isn't going to let Holliday sign a contract until the market is set by Bay (among others). So do you wait for Holliday, and risk missing out on Holliday and all of the other free agents, or do you start moving forward without Holliday.

IMO, it's a tough call for Mo, and I'm honestly not sure what my next move would be.
I don't know, but Mo did say they would make an offer and stick to it. At that point, it will be up to Holliday/Boras to move forward or move on. Should only take a day or so once the offer is made to know what direction to go. I don't think Mo wants to be the first to make the move though.

Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

Posted: December 11 09, 10:18 am
by Socnorb11
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:So, in simple terms, what do you do? Boras clearly isn't going to let Holliday sign a contract until the market is set by Bay (among others). So do you wait for Holliday, and risk missing out on Holliday and all of the other free agents, or do you start moving forward without Holliday.

IMO, it's a tough call for Mo, and I'm honestly not sure what my next move would be.
I don't know, but Mo did say they would make an offer and stick to it. At that point, it will be up to Holliday/Boras to move forward or move on. Should only take a day or so once the offer is made to know what direction to go. I don't think Mo wants to be the first to make the move though.
I don't think Boras would consider ANY offer until after Bay signs, or the Yankees are out of the picture, or both.

Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

Posted: December 11 09, 10:29 am
by epinephrine
Socnorb11 wrote:
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:So, in simple terms, what do you do? Boras clearly isn't going to let Holliday sign a contract until the market is set by Bay (among others). So do you wait for Holliday, and risk missing out on Holliday and all of the other free agents, or do you start moving forward without Holliday.

IMO, it's a tough call for Mo, and I'm honestly not sure what my next move would be.
I don't know, but Mo did say they would make an offer and stick to it. At that point, it will be up to Holliday/Boras to move forward or move on. Should only take a day or so once the offer is made to know what direction to go. I don't think Mo wants to be the first to make the move though.
I don't think Boras would consider ANY offer until after Bay signs, or the Yankees are out of the picture, or both.
Unless it meets his demands of 23 million a year hah

Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

Posted: December 11 09, 10:50 am
by planet planet
I'm still confused as to why Bay needs to sign first. Doesn't the top player usually sign first which sets the market for everyone else? Is it strictly because of the Boras factor?