Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Gashouse]

I think people are so goo goo gah gah over how Obama speaks that they forget that public speaking isn't the most important thing in leading a nation..

But sometimes it is the most important. A leader has to motivate people to do things and to participate. Speeches can be an effective way to get people motivated to participate in the common good. Yes, the speeches need to be backed up with actions, and at that point, the actions are more important. But good ideas and good actions are less useful if the leader can't get people motivated and interested in the first place.

[JG1982]

I think people are so goo goo gah gah over how Obama speaks that they forget that public speaking isn't the most important thing in leading a nation..

But sometimes it is the most important. A leader has to motivate people to do things and to participate. Speeches can be an effective way to get people motivated to participate in the common good. Yes, the speeches need to be backed up with actions, and at that point, the actions are more important. But good ideas and good actions are less useful if the leader can't get people motivated and interested in the first place.

I'm not saying that it's not a factor in being an excellent commander in chief..

But give me someone who has good ideas and is going to lead this country who may not speak as well as a guy who has no direction but speaks really well (and no, I'm not attacking Obama, I'm just saying I'd rather have someone who may not speak as well but is a strong leader)

[BW23]

Lieberman would have been the desperate pick and the nail in McCain's coffin at the same time.

I'm quite certain he would have picked Rice if she wasn't so tied to the current regime.

So did you slam Barry for picking someone with experience? He's trying to get voters the exact same way McCain is with the VP picks.

And they're both negating some of their biggest arguments against their opponents.

[wart57]

I think people are so goo goo gah gah over how Obama speaks that they forget that public speaking isn't the most important thing in leading a nation..

Right, it's having good ideas. Unfortunately, Republicans have bad ideas.

And young voters who are un-educated about the issues, when asked why they are voting for Obama, say "Because he's such an awesome speaker!"

Trust me, I work a ton with kids ages 18-25, and that's always one of the first things people say they love about Obama

That scares the crap outta me, because it shows NOTHING in the way on how he's going to lead a country

Younger voters are impressionable. I'm less scared of people voting for Obama because of his rhetoric than people voting for McCain because Obama is black.

But how many people will vote for Obama because he is black?
I really wish race was not an issue any more. Whe gives a rats azz what color their skin is, I care what they stand for.

[JG1982]

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/disc ... hp?t=26089

Very, very, very interesting

That forum has no official affiliation to Hillary, but...still

Positive small sample size right there for Republicans

[Socnorb11]

I think people are so goo goo gah gah over how Obama speaks that they forget that public speaking isn't the most important thing in leading a nation..

But sometimes it is the most important. A leader has to motivate people to do things and to participate. Speeches can be an effective way to get people motivated to participate in the common good. Yes, the speeches need to be backed up with actions, and at that point, the actions are more important. But good ideas and good actions are less useful if the leader can't get people motivated and interested in the first place.

I'm not saying that it's not a factor in being an excellent commander in chief..

Actually, that's pretty much what you said.

That scares the crap outta me, because it shows NOTHING in the way on how he's going to lead a country

[JG1982]

I think people are so goo goo gah gah over how Obama speaks that they forget that public speaking isn't the most important thing in leading a nation..

But sometimes it is the most important. A leader has to motivate people to do things and to participate. Speeches can be an effective way to get people motivated to participate in the common good. Yes, the speeches need to be backed up with actions, and at that point, the actions are more important. But good ideas and good actions are less useful if the leader can't get people motivated and interested in the first place.

I'm not saying that it's not a factor in being an excellent commander in chief..

Actually, that's pretty much what you said.

That scares the crap outta me, because it shows NOTHING in the way on how he's going to lead a country

Stop taking my words and throwing them to whatever freaking agenda you want

Him being able to be demonstrative is going to be a good indication on how he is going to LEAD THIS COUNTRY?

Him being able to speak well demonstrates what issues he stands for? what issues hes opposed to?

NO

I'm done with this thread

[BW23]

I think people are so goo goo gah gah over how Obama speaks that they forget that public speaking isn't the most important thing in leading a nation..

Right, it's having good ideas. Unfortunately, Republicans have bad ideas.

And young voters who are un-educated about the issues, when asked why they are voting for Obama, say "Because he's such an awesome speaker!"

Trust me, I work a ton with kids ages 18-25, and that's always one of the first things people say they love about Obama

That scares the crap outta me, because it shows NOTHING in the way on how he's going to lead a country

Younger voters are impressionable. I'm less scared of people voting for Obama because of his rhetoric than people voting for McCain because Obama is black.

But how many people will vote for Obama because he is black?
I really wish race was not an issue any more. Whe gives a rats azz what color their skin is, I care what they stand for.

Unfortunately, way, way, way too many people still care. And that's on both sides of the fence. He'll win a lot of votes and lose a lot simply because he's black. Where I'm at, I'm not going to put an anti-Obama sticker on my car just because I don't want to be deemed a racist.

And there's no doubt that would happen.

[Socnorb11]

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/disc ... hp?t=26089

Very, very, very interesting

That forum has no official affiliation to Hillary, but...still

Positive small sample size right there for Republicans

Didn't Hilary just three days ago ask these people to support Obama?

They must not believe in her as much as they say they do.

[wart57]

I think people are so goo goo gah gah over how Obama speaks that they forget that public speaking isn't the most important thing in leading a nation..

Right, it's having good ideas. Unfortunately, Republicans have bad ideas.

And young voters who are un-educated about the issues, when asked why they are voting for Obama, say "Because he's such an awesome speaker!"

Trust me, I work a ton with kids ages 18-25, and that's always one of the first things people say they love about Obama

That scares the crap outta me, because it shows NOTHING in the way on how he's going to lead a country

Younger voters are impressionable. I'm less scared of people voting for Obama because of his rhetoric than people voting for McCain because Obama is black.

But how many people will vote for Obama because he is black?
I really wish race was not an issue any more. Whe gives a rats azz what color their skin is, I care what they stand for.

Unfortunately, way, way, way too many people still care. And that's on both sides of the fence. He'll win a lot of votes and lose a lot simply because he's black. Where I'm at, I'm not going to put an anti-Obama sticker on my car just because I don't want to be deemed a racist.

And there's no doubt that would happen.

I think a lot of people don't speak out against him for the same reasons, but that is why we have voting booths, so people won't know who you really want to vote for.