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jim wrote:Who else checks out women at church? I think I check out women at church more than any other place. I have time on my hands, I'm bored, and they are dressed nice.

If 20% believe in God or whatever bw quoted, I'm guessing the other 80% are doing this.

All the hot chicks show up for midnight mass and a lot of them have been drinking.....good times.

Hudler wrote:

jim wrote:Who else checks out women at church? I think I check out women at church more than any other place. I have time on my hands, I'm bored, and they are dressed nice.

If 20% believe in God or whatever bw quoted, I'm guessing the other 80% are doing this.

All the hot chicks show up for midnight mass and a lot of them have been drinking.....good times.

Jimmy Buffet said it best.... There is a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning.

BW23 wrote:

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

BW23 wrote:I don't think he's a savior, but I think there are many that do.

And yeah, I think the popularity of Christ is probably at an all-time low right now, and it wouldn't surprise me if Obama was more popular.

Last I heard, less than 20% of Americans go to church. I bet more than 20% of Americans love Obama.

So since over 20% of Americans love McCain is it ok if we brush him with that same broad stroke?

Out of curiosity, how many people have you talked to that stated that Obama was their savior?

I doubt if 20% love McCain. I still say the large majority of his supporters is because of who he isn't compared to who he actually is.

Just about every Obama supporter I've talked to thinks he'll save them from one thing or another....whether the bad economic times or war or whatever. I don't mean savior as in saving their life from an eternal standpoint. Only one can do that. But my gosh, his campaign is based on two words....hope and change. Anyone that clings to those words must see him as some type of savior.

Or, maybe people just believe that he'll help get the country moving in a better direction (change), which will make our lives a little more pleasant (hope).

BW23 wrote:

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

BW23 wrote:I don't think he's a savior, but I think there are many that do.

And yeah, I think the popularity of Christ is probably at an all-time low right now, and it wouldn't surprise me if Obama was more popular.

Last I heard, less than 20% of Americans go to church. I bet more than 20% of Americans love Obama.

So since over 20% of Americans love McCain is it ok if we brush him with that same broad stroke?

Out of curiosity, how many people have you talked to that stated that Obama was their savior?

I doubt if 20% love McCain. I still say the large majority of his supporters is because of who he isn't compared to who he actually is.

Just about every Obama supporter I've talked to thinks he'll save them from one thing or another....whether the bad economic times or war or whatever. I don't mean savior as in saving their life from an eternal standpoint. Only one can do that. But my gosh, his campaign is based on two words....hope and change. Anyone that clings to those words must see him as some type of savior.

Well, I don't know anyone clinging to the words hope and change. His campaign is based on much more than that. People that I know that support Obama seem to be support him because of this - http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

To me, the only people that are clinging to the words hope and change are people like yourself. You fail to recognize little if any of his ideas simply because it's a D next to his name instead of an R.

Socnorb11 wrote:

BW23 wrote:

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

BW23 wrote:I don't think he's a savior, but I think there are many that do.

And yeah, I think the popularity of Christ is probably at an all-time low right now, and it wouldn't surprise me if Obama was more popular.

Last I heard, less than 20% of Americans go to church. I bet more than 20% of Americans love Obama.

So since over 20% of Americans love McCain is it ok if we brush him with that same broad stroke?

Out of curiosity, how many people have you talked to that stated that Obama was their savior?

I doubt if 20% love McCain. I still say the large majority of his supporters is because of who he isn't compared to who he actually is.

Just about every Obama supporter I've talked to thinks he'll save them from one thing or another....whether the bad economic times or war or whatever. I don't mean savior as in saving their life from an eternal standpoint. Only one can do that. But my gosh, his campaign is based on two words....hope and change. Anyone that clings to those words must see him as some type of savior.

Or, maybe people just believe that he'll help get the country moving in a better direction (change), which will make our lives a little more pleasant (hope).

drill baby drill

PujolJunkie wrote:POLL UPDATE! YAAAAAY!



Being the resident poll junkie (PJ. Get it?) I'll comment on all this later. My girlfriend is taking up my ear right now.

Ohio is the most interesting, that has been the most difficult toss-up from the start to lean Obama and it is starting to shift that way.

PA, MN, WI, NV, & MI are done. Florida/CO/VA is starting to shift to Obama for good. The +5 in AZ is shocking and deserves watching to see if it ends up in the toss-up catagory, if Obama had selected Richardson as his VP, AZ might be leaning Obama.

When toss-up states are NC, MO, and IN, it's looking one-sided.

Quick, honest opinion: The Obama campaign has been a little much about the abstract issues of "hope" and "change." The literature the campaign has to distribute is mostly about hope, change, or what kind of man Obama is. I think that it does make it a little hard for the campaign to appeal to crossover Republican voters, and I suspect that it leaves many Obama supporters less informed than they should be on his platform. The above link to the Issues section of his website is the counter to this, and it's something the Obama campaign should really find some way to showcase. You can't really condense the entire platform into a pamphlet or a television spot, but I think the link to that section of the website should appear in his pamphlets and television spots. The broad campaign may have been enough to win the election, but he needs to show voters he is a much more centrist president than they've been hearing in order to win them over to his political platform.

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

BW23 wrote:

InvincibleCakeEater wrote:

BW23 wrote:I don't think he's a savior, but I think there are many that do.

And yeah, I think the popularity of Christ is probably at an all-time low right now, and it wouldn't surprise me if Obama was more popular.

Last I heard, less than 20% of Americans go to church. I bet more than 20% of Americans love Obama.

So since over 20% of Americans love McCain is it ok if we brush him with that same broad stroke?

Out of curiosity, how many people have you talked to that stated that Obama was their savior?

I doubt if 20% love McCain. I still say the large majority of his supporters is because of who he isn't compared to who he actually is.

Just about every Obama supporter I've talked to thinks he'll save them from one thing or another....whether the bad economic times or war or whatever. I don't mean savior as in saving their life from an eternal standpoint. Only one can do that. But my gosh, his campaign is based on two words....hope and change. Anyone that clings to those words must see him as some type of savior.

Well, I don't know anyone clinging to the words hope and change. His campaign is based on much more than that. People that I know that support Obama seem to be support him because of this - http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

To me, the only people that are clinging to the words hope and change are people like yourself. You fail to recognize little if any of his ideas simply because it's a D next to his name instead of an R.

I fail to recognize any of his ideas because of what they are. I'm not someone who doesn't understand the issues like so many voters. Some of these voters should be given a test to see if they even have a clue who they're voting for.

And I don't think any republicans are clinging to hope or change with Obama. But I see it every time he's on TV at some rally or any time I see a sign of support about him.

cpebbles wrote:Quick, honest opinion: The Obama campaign has been a little much about the abstract issues of "hope" and "change." The literature the campaign has to distribute is mostly about hope, change, or what kind of man Obama is. I think that it does make it a little hard for the campaign to appeal to crossover Republican voters, and I suspect that it leaves many Obama supporters less informed than they should be on his platform. The above link to the Issues section of his website is the counter to this, and it's something the Obama campaign should really find some way to showcase. You can't really condense the entire platform into a pamphlet or a television spot, but I think the link to that section of the website should appear in his pamphlets and television spots. The broad campaign may have been enough to win the election, but he needs to show voters he is a much more centrist president than they've been hearing in order to win them over to his political platform.

I've heard quite a few ads in which Obama says, "read my entire platform at <url>"

cpebbles wrote:Quick, honest opinion: The Obama campaign has been a little much about the abstract issues of "hope" and "change." The literature the campaign has to distribute is mostly about hope, change, or what kind of man Obama is. I think that it does make it a little hard for the campaign to appeal to crossover Republican voters, and I suspect that it leaves many Obama supporters less informed than they should be on his platform. The above link to the Issues section of his website is the counter to this, and it's something the Obama campaign should really find some way to showcase. You can't really condense the entire platform into a pamphlet or a television spot, but I think the link to that section of the website should appear in his pamphlets and television spots. The broad campaign may have been enough to win the election, but he needs to show voters he is a much more centrist president than they've been hearing in order to win them over to his political platform.

It's definitely what I'm hoping to hear more from during his TV special, but you're exactly right about dems and indies feeding into his idealistic campaign. It has somewhat fallen into place for him as the country was declining when he announced his campaign and when the campaign was a losing battle against the culture divide of McCain/Palin. After those two things occured, it shifted to the economy and between that and the god-awful campaign run by McCain during the economic crisis, Obama hasn't had to put the nuts and bolts of the issues at the forefront. That TV special has a chance to lock in those steps despite the negative feedback from the RNC, which would be done regardless if he sticks to ideals.