How many Hall of Famers are playing now?

MaskedMan · Post by **MaskedMan** » March 28 07, 12:47 pm

Sandberg and Gary Carter don't deserve to in be there before any borderline guys, IMO

The Cubs just had so few in there they had to find a reason (and I'm still not sure what that reason was) to get Sandberg in the HOF

Popeye_Card · Post by **Popeye_Card** » March 28 07, 12:50 pm

Phyrkrakr wrote:
Wekse5 wrote:
Phyrkrakr wrote:
TimeForGuinness wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ozzie will be the last person to get into the HOF based on his defense. (Yes he had some offense, but he got in for his GGs)

Rolen and Edmonds will have a hard time getting in. IMHO.
Except for Ryne Sandberg...

you think sandberg got in based solely on his defense?
Frankly, I don't know HOW he got in. A career .285 hitter with < .800 OPS and 2300 hits doesn't strike me as HoF caliber, especially with the Cubbies' postseason futility. 9 Gold Gloves were the only reason I could come up with. At this point, Scott Rolen is going to beat most of that, except maybe average if his falls off a cliff (he's currently a .285 hitter)

Because he did all of this as a 2B in a fairly non-offensive era.

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GatewaySnayke · Post by **GatewaySnayke** » March 28 07, 1:55 pm

Edmonds just doesn't have the counting stats that writers love, but I don't think there's any doubt that he's one of the top five center fielders ever.

And I agree with longhorn regarding Cubs fans and Edmonds. I've never understood their undying hatred for him.

haltz · Post by **haltz** » March 28 07, 2:01 pm

GatewaySnayke wrote:Edmonds just doesn't have the counting stats that writers love, but I don't think there's any doubt that he's one of the top five center fielders ever.

Maybe seventh or eighth. Not top five. Speaker, Cobb, Mays, Mantle, DiMaggio, Griffey and maybe Snider.

cardinalkarp · Post by **cardinalkarp** » March 28 07, 2:02 pm

haltz wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:Edmonds just doesn't have the counting stats that writers love, but I don't think there's any doubt that he's one of the top five center fielders ever.
Maybe seventh or eighth. Not top five. Speaker, Cobb, Mays, Mantle, DiMaggio, Griffey and maybe Snider.

By putting him in w/ those names, how again does he not make the HOF?

haltz · Post by **haltz** » March 28 07, 2:07 pm

cardinalkarp wrote:
haltz wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:Edmonds just doesn't have the counting stats that writers love, but I don't think there's any doubt that he's one of the top five center fielders ever.
Maybe seventh or eighth. Not top five. Speaker, Cobb, Mays, Mantle, DiMaggio, Griffey and maybe Snider.
By putting him in w/ those names, how again does he not make the HOF?

Not saying that he shouldn't. I am a pretty big advocate of it actually.

Lloyd Waner, Hack Wilson, Richie Ashburn, Kirby Puckett, Earle Combs, Max Carey...

GatewaySnayke · Post by **GatewaySnayke** » March 28 07, 2:07 pm

haltz wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:Edmonds just doesn't have the counting stats that writers love, but I don't think there's any doubt that he's one of the top five center fielders ever.
Maybe seventh or eighth. Not top five. Speaker, Cobb, Mays, Mantle, DiMaggio, Griffey and maybe Snider.

Darn, I forgot about Tris Speaker, and I thought Cobb played one of the corner positions.

I think it's really a coin flip between Edmonds and Snider, going off of OPS+, and looking at Edmonds and Jr's lines, they are pretty similar as well. Of course, Jr has 500 home runs...

MrCrowesGarden · Post by **MrCrowesGarden** » March 28 07, 2:15 pm

If those that vote are willing to concede that 500 HRs doesn't mean what it used to, then they should be ready to accept a new plateau for pitcher wins as well.

By those guidelines, you'll have to consider players like Oswalt and Zito.

haltz · Post by **haltz** » March 28 07, 2:16 pm

GatewaySnayke wrote:I think it's really a coin flip between Edmonds and Snider, going off of OPS+, and looking at Edmonds and Jr's lines, they are pretty similar as well. Of course, Jr has 500 home runs...

Yeah, you know Junior will be a first ballot guy. Snider and Edmonds are starting to look similar offensively, like I mentioned earlier I think. Edmonds has him with the glovework too, by a long shot. It's just that pesky 400 HR. Hopefully Ballgame does something about that over the rest of his contract.