TV Thread - beware, [expletive] can get spoilery

[Jocephus]

again you realize, at the time when that joke was made (and quite frankly still) murphys career has/had done zilch, thus it was relevant. i think he's living off his past performances, which there is nothing wrong with, than any of his current stuff.

[33anda3rd]

On SNL:

Murphy: top-3 all-time cast member (along with Ferrell and Hader).
Spade: roughly the 5th-6th best cast member of his era.

Outside SNL:

Murphy: 48 Hours, Trading Places, Beverly Hills Cop 1-3, The Golden Child, Coming To America, Harlem Nights, the Shrek movies, The Nutty Professor, Dr. Doolittle, Delirious, Raw.
Spade: Tommy Boy, Black Sheep, Joe Dirt, a couple sitcoms, the two Grown Ups movies.

The gap between the two: about 3 billion $ in box office. One is a legend and one is a D-lister. And the latter made a joke about the career of the former. That's quite funny. Quite ironic. It tickles me a little when I think about it. The idea of karma in this regard? Funny. The idea of Spade making fun of Murphy's career, when Murphy (only 3 years older than Spade) had accomplished more by his 27th birthday than Spade would accomplish in his life? That's funny. That's a real pot-calling-the-kettle type of scenario. It makes me laugh, especially since Eddie Murphy has given me so much pleasure in my life and David Spade hasn't really given me any by comparison.

The timing of the joke? Yeah, Murphy was down. Spade kicked. Funny, given the timing. Also, easy, given the timing. To make a joke where you kick someone who is down is, well, there's nothing easier in comedy, is there? And that was Hollywood Minute: kicking people when they were down. The easiest kind of humor. Haha, look at this one's plastic surgery. Easy. Haha, this one's career sucks. Easy. haha, this one got arrested. Easy. Lazy. Also funny given the timing b/c Spade's career never really was better than the moment he made that joke about Murphy. It was all downhill from there.

[stlouie_lipp]

Eddie Murphy used to tell mean spirited jokes about Bill Cosby - "have a coke and a smile and shut the [expletive] up". Isn't that disrespecting one the greats before you?

[Jocephus]

shrek movies aren't really his, those are myers

when i think of murphy i think of the red jacket and delirium, raw, bevery hills cop 1 and 2, trading places. i dont think about daddy day care, norbit, pluto nash, tower heist, meet dave, vampire in brooklyn, i spy, etc. dreamgirls, 2006, is the last like critical performance he has had right, and that was a collaborative effort. thats not to say i dont think eddie isn't funny either. quite the contrary. but i aint gonna [expletive] on spade 'cause of 1 joke.

you also said, i believe it was you, that the group of SNL casts you grew up with is your favorite. well, i was born in '83 so you might understand why i like spade and i dont care that he hasn't made as much at the box office as your boy murphy.

i dont disagree with you at all regarding their fortunes, etc. but your fascination about 1 joke and how its sacrilege to comedy is just perplexing...

[33anda3rd]

That was in response to Cosby calling him out for cursing on stage, etc.

Let's remember Cosby has a decades-long history of being the self-appointed arbiter of what black culture and black entertainers should be doing. And many of them have a decades-long history of being pretty much like "Hey, [expletive] Bill Cosby telling me what I should and should not be doing in my act."

This was not Murphy, unprovoked, taking a shot at Cosby. This was Murphy doing social comedy where he called out Cosby for his self-righteous [expletive].

[33anda3rd]

you also said, i believe it was you, that the group of SNL casts you grew up with is your favorite. well, i was born in '83 so you might understand why i like spade and i dont care that he hasn't made as much at the box office as your boy murphy.

i dont disagree with you at all regarding their fortunes, etc. but your fascination about 1 joke and how its sacrilege to comedy is just perplexing...

I DID NOT say one joke was sacrilege. I said it was beautifully, hilariously ironic because of Spade's own career arc, and when I said Spade's career went nowhere people argued with me b/c he was 5th-banana on two sixth-rate sitcoms, so I comped him to some other SNL cast members.

The sacrilege is [expletive] on one of your SNL forefathers unprovoked and for a VERY easy, cheap laugh. The result of that is Eddie Murphy holding a grudge for a decade. You think Lorne isn't PISSED with Spade that Murphy wasn't at the 25th? How much money did Lorne lose, or not make, from not having Eddie there? And to reiterate: crapping on celebs who are down? Easy. Lazy. Yeah, quick laugh, but lazy humor.

[Jocephus]

dont you think lorne was ok with the joke if he let spade say it?

[Vidor]

I think we need more about how Eddie Murphy's career is better than David Spade's, to counter that one person somewhere there in the world who is arguing against that proposition.

[33anda3rd]

At the time, yeah, and he probably didn't expect Eddie to react the way he reacted, but afterward I bet Lorne wishes the joke never happened and that Spade went well out of his way to make Eddie feel respected and made whole on the joke.

[33anda3rd]

I think we need more about how Eddie Murphy's career is better than David Spade's, to counter that one person somewhere there in the world who is arguing against that proposition.

I mean, I'll happily provide that to you as long as I can keep reading stuff I never said about David Spade and about how people who drink Bud and Beam are dopes.