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Re: Former Cardinals Watch

Posted: April 5 12, 5:54 pm
by slide_into_first
Scrabble winning the Cy Young Award will be icing on the cake.

Re: Former Cardinals Watch

Posted: April 5 12, 6:07 pm
by Magneto2.0
Richie Allen wrote:Rasmus: 0-6 so far today with 1 error.
0-7 now

Re: Former Cardinals Watch

Posted: April 6 12, 8:19 am
by JackofDiamonds
No schadenfreude for me, I don't like seeing people fail like that. I hope he has a great year.

Re: Former Cardinals Watch

Posted: April 6 12, 8:41 am
by Hungary Jack
JackofDiamonds wrote:No schadenfreude for me, I don't like seeing people fail like that. I hope he has a great year.
What a bunch of bull.

Re: Former Cardinals Watch

Posted: April 6 12, 9:16 am
by JackofDiamonds
Hungary Jack wrote:
JackofDiamonds wrote:No schadenfreude for me, I don't like seeing people fail like that. I hope he has a great year.
What a bunch of bull.
Seriously, I cringe at the 0-7. I am not saying I want him to be the MVP, but I don't want to see him fail out of baseball.

Re: Former Cardinals Watch

Posted: April 6 12, 9:22 am
by Hungary Jack
Jmodene wrote:
Hungary Jack wrote:I know nothing of that story, but I don't doubt it. Can you enlighten us as to why Steinbrenner blackmailed Augie?
At the time, old Gussie was working behind the scenes to oust Bowie Kuhn. He'd been out to get Bowie ever since Kuhn lifted the lockout the owners had imposed in Spring Training the year after Peter Seitz ruled in favor of Messersmith/McNally, freeing the players to become free agents (the owners had previously held players to their teams in perpetuum by citing the "Reserve Clause").

Gussie was among the hard-liners who hoped that locking the players out of ST could break the union and force the players to give up the free agent rights they had just won in arbitration.

Kuhn, who was an attorney, saw this as illegal and ordered the ST camps opened - and Gussie never forgot it.

When Kuhn's contract was finally coming up for renewal a few years later, his opponents, led by Gussie, only needed a few votes in each league as a contract renewal required, I think, 75% of the owners in each individual league. Steinbrenner's was the fourth AL vote Gussie needed to keep Bowie from getting his 75% in the junior circuit (I believe five NL teams voted against Kuhn).

Steinbrenner was already embarrassed about the Cards' having fleeced the Yankees so badly on Sykes-for-McGee (the Yankees had taken Willie off their 40-man roster during the winter of 1981/82 when they signed Dave Collins or Dave Winfield - I forget which) which meant that Willie was subject to Rule 5. The Cards offered the Yankees Sykes so they'd get at least something for McGee, who was sure to be chosen in Rule 5. Sykes, of course, never pitched an inning for the Yankees, and Steinbrenner was fit to be tied.

So, when Gussie came a-courting for Steinbrenner's vote, ol' George basically told him he'd have to have some more players to make up for the McGee deal - Gussie went back and had John McDonald work out a deal where we'd give them two top prospects - Javier and Meacham - for three nondescript minor-leaguers - Steve Fincher, Bob Helsom, and Marty Mason.

It was a terribly one-sided deal, although Mason did wind up a longtime Cardinal with his work as a coach in the minors and majors. But Gussie got the vote that he needed from Steinbrenner and Bowie's fate was sealed. This despite the fact that he got 15 out of 24 votes in *favor* of keeping him.

(Peter O'Malley, who was a Kuhn supporter, was so incensed by Gussie's machinations that he cancelled the sale of Budweiser at Dodger Stadium in protest.)

Now, all this was bad enough, but as I say, the re-writing of history annoys my journalistic instincts. Herzog, for instance, in his 1999 book, says that the Cards had agreed *at the time of the McGee deal* that we would give them more players if McGee turned out to be any good.

You have to know that Herzog and Steinbrenner were friends - although Whitey often said, including in the book, that he probably wouldn't have been able to handle *working* for George - so his motive in trying not to make Steinbrenner look like a fool, and a malleable one at that, is understandable. It's still annoying.
That is an awesomely entertaining story. Thanks for sharing!

Re: Former Cardinals Watch

Posted: April 6 12, 9:48 am
by jim
Colby hitting 9th ... well he did say he didn't want the spotlight. So be careful what you ask for I guess.

Re: Former Cardinals Watch

Posted: April 6 12, 9:57 am
by Hungary Jack
slide_into_first wrote:Scrabble winning the Cy Young Award will be icing on the cake.
I had a Szepcinski in a finance class I just finished teaching. I almost called him "Scrabble" one day. He had some of the weirdest hair texture I have ever seen.

Re: Former Cardinals Watch

Posted: April 6 12, 10:19 am
by Hungary Jack
Hold on to your hats. Kip Wells signs a minor league deal with teh WSox.

Re: Former Cardinals Watch

Posted: April 6 12, 10:27 am
by jim
Hungary Jack wrote:
slide_into_first wrote:Scrabble winning the Cy Young Award will be icing on the cake.
I had a Szepcinski in a finance class I just finished teaching. I almost called him "Scrabble" one day. He had some of the weirdest hair texture I have ever seen.
You should use your shopping experience at REI in your lectures. You could talk about the high quality and smartly made products benefiting both consumer and business, and then in the next breath complain incessantly about the sales tax imposed on the transaction. That would pretty much cover everything I think.